Talk:Graphical timeline for classical composers

This is a great idea! I just now noticed it. Have you made one for medieval composers yet (the classicism one is repeated). Nice work! Antandrus 03:21, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

User:Erik Zachte, is it possible for other contributors to edit these graphics? (it is) Having answered my own question I'd like to open Pandora's box through discussion first and suggest Claude Debussy as a replacement for either Erik Satie or Alexander Scriabin. Hyacinth 21:13, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I made a selection of famous composers to give it a start, but since I mostly gave up listening classical music 20 years ago, I'm not an expert at all. Feel free to improve on this selection. Erik Zachte 03:24, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Brahms

Is there any reason that Brahms, the perhaps most important romantic composer, isn't printed in bold?

No, fixed Erik Zachte 14:34, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

20th century?

Why has the whole 20th century been excluded? Incredibly, such renowned names as Claude Debussy, Béla Bartók, Arnold Schönberg or György Ligeti, to name a few, have not made it into the "most famous composers" graphic, and no graphical timeline at all is given for any kind of classical music from the 20th century. Uaxuctum 05:12, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This certainly is an omission. I made the inital versions of the timelines. Most are based on existing tables. The famous composers was a selection I made as a starter to be completed by people with better knowledge. I do like 20th century music, just felt it was not me who should do this. So please use your expertise and fill the void Erik Zachte 12:44, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well ... I could take a crack at making one. Shall we haggle over the names to include on it first, or would you rather look at a draft? How many names would you like -- 40 or 50? It's sticky territory, since choosing the "most famous" 40 or 50 composers is necessarily a bit POV, unless you source the list to somewhere specific (and frankly I can't think of any sources that aren't themselves a bit POV) Shall we call it {{Graphical timeline for 20th century classical composers}} ? Antandrus 15:34, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The 20th century saw an explosion of styles unmatched by any previous era. Composers from the previous epochs (Romanticism, Classical, Baroque...) basically wrote in the same musical idiom, so one doesn't really need to distinguish between chronological and stylistic charts for those time periods, as long as one is limiting them to Western classical music. However, this is not true for the 20th century, when an amount of often contradicting tendencies coexisted. So I think it would be appropriate to make individual charts for the major styles, or at least distinguish between tonal and nontonal music. About the "most famous" issue, given than "fame" is a rather subjective quality that even varies from country to country, a more objective measure could be "most influential". One may argue whether Anton Webern is or is not among the "most famous" composers (I think it would be a safe bet to say most lay people have never heard about him), but it's undeniable he has been one of the most influential 20th century composers, being a foundational cornerstone for a substantial part of the postwar avantgarde. On a related issue, I don't know if such a chart is already available, but if not I think it would be very useful to have a graphical timeline for classical music styles too. Uaxuctum 19:18, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've started making one (at [1]) but right now it only goes through composers born in 1925; I'll maybe have some time to add to it later tonight; feel free to add to it. I think having timelines by style is also a good idea. Antandrus 19:45, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sibelius

The Finnish composer Jean Sibelius must be included. See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Sibelius

Most Famous

Most Famous Composers ?? This section heading hardly sounds neutral. What are the criteria? Valrith 00:11, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Women write music too, you know

There is not ONE woman on any of these lists. Suggestions would include Hildegard of Bingen, Clara Schumann, Fanny Mendelssohn, Germaine Tailleferre of Les Six. There are many, many others. If this list is selective, then you should at least include a representative source....Musikfabrik 12:47, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggested merge

I found this "article" while patrolling through the "dead end pages" section and found out that one of the only three links to a fairly vacant List of classical music composers article. The original list has turned into a sequence of "See..." links. Therefore, to save both article pages from AfD, I'd recommend a merge of the "Graphical timeline..." article into the "List..." article. 66.217.48.209 06:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)