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The language of this article[edit]

This is an encyclopedia in the ENGLISH language, not in the Hawaiian language, so write things in English. If you want a Hawaiian encyclopedia, go look for it elsewhere

Small changes such as Hawaii to Hawai’i are respectful of the culture of the state and native peoples of Hawai’i. It is inclusive language to reflect the diversity of The United States. All citizens should be respected for the culture they bring to the country. Eafleeen (talk) 06:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

The Island of Hawaii is an important place in the Pacific. It is not (although conterminous with) the County of Hawaii, a modern political division. Marshman 22:54, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It seems to me that the article on the county should focus essentially on the county government (and therefore be fairly small), and the Hawaii Island article should focus on everything else.--Fellnearshiva 20:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Holy cow! An article called "Hawaii (island)" is about the geography and geology of the place, and not about human institutions there -- government, schools, churches, and so forth. For example, this is not the place to say anything about the University of Hawaii at Hilo98.81.11.27 (talk) 01:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of geography, this article says nothing about these simple, straightforward things:
I. How far is it from east-to-west across the Island of Hawaii?
II. How far is it from north-to-south across the Island of Hawaii?
III. Given the general shape of the Island of Hawaii, superscribe a rectangle around it with its sides running east-west and north-south. Now, what are the lengths of the sides of this rectangle? These are probably the best numbers for answers to #I and #II.
IV. What are the latititude and longitude of the northmost point on the Island of Hawaii?
V. What are the latititude and longitude of the southmost point on the Island of Hawaii?
VI. For those of you who object to the words "northmost" and "southmost", just consider this one: Texas Southmost State College, or is it the Southmost Texas State University? Look it up in the history books, such as on the Internet.
VII. What is the length of the coastline of the Island of Hawaii, within as reasonable level of approximation? Remember that this changes a little due to volcanic eruptions, but we just want to know it approximately.
VIII. Concern yourselves about important and useful things like the above, and not odd things like the "Orchid Island", "Chi-town", "the Atlanta Patch", "Hotlanna", "Beantown", and "DFW". Those are all slang terms, and no particlularly useful.98.81.11.27 (talk) 01:51, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Weasel terms?[edit]

"However, the term "Big Island" is starting I was born and raised in Hawaii and have never heard the Big Island referred to as the "Orchid Island." Where did you come up with the following statement:

In fact, because of Hawaii Island's reputation for growing beautiful orchids, the island has the nickname "The Orchid Isle."

By "you" I presume you mean the plural "you" I did not add that statement to the article, but I do find it hard to believe that you were raised on Hawaii and have never heard the island referred to as the "Orchid Island" (of course I'm also assuming you have been on the planet for more than 20 years). I agree, it is not at all used locally anywhere in the state, but it is / was certainly common in tourist literature. It is perhaps a lot less used now that Kona side has become the focus of the tourist industry, as the term was likely devised to attract tourists to the Hilo area where the big orhid growers are located. I suppose some modification of the article is in order, to reflect the declining and non-local sense/use of the term - Marshman 19:17, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
On a related note, I've lived in Chicagoland my whole life (I'm 21), and didn't know what "chi-town" was untill earlier this year - reason: Chicagoans don't use it. -Aknorals 23:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's hip-hop culture slang. Are you part of that subculture, or do you expose yourself to it? If not, that might explain why you haven't heard the term. Personally, I think Chi-town is still used, but it's like Frisco, if you live in S.F., you'll never hear that term, but people use it all the time outside the city. Furthermore, I think you were 10 years-old when the term became mainstream, so you might not have paid as much attention to it as you do now. Viriditas | Talk 01:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a lifelong resident of Chicago (25) and I've heard many people refer to it as Chi-town. That's how I generally refer to it myself... Perhaps it depends what part of the city you're from? 63.73.199.69 (talk) 18:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Probably something that the Hawai'i state govt knows about. Like official state polka song or something like that. Kortoso (talk) 23:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the geology section in claims that something falls into the ocean every 10,000 years and causes a tsunami. Be nice to have something to back up a claim like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.125.170.42 (talk) 10:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Landsat image[edit]

For some reason the land satellite infobox image isn't showing up. I tried some brackets, sizing and thumb coding to no prevail. Anyone want to give it a whirl? --Travis Thurston+ 07:20, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've had no luck either. It does show up fine in {{Infobox Islands}}, though. -- Avenue (talk) 09:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two images not visible[edit]

I can't see the land satellite image or the shield volcanos image. Could someone bring these to the attention of someone who knows about images and how to fix them? (I think merely leaving it to the people who stop by here is not sufficient.) I'm not sure who to address but I'm sure someone does. Thanks. Softlavender (talk) 14:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The image works, but thumbnails appear to be down for some reason, and only on select articles. We might be having server problems with the images again. That's my best guess. I'll keep looking into it, but the last time this happened, the problem resolved after a day. Viriditas (talk) 14:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There was a mention of something similar to this on WP:AN earlier this week. I believe it is an issue with WP:COMMONS. — Kralizec! (talk) 19:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Should probably remove that image, since it never seems to work for me either? —Preceding unsigned comment added by W Nowicki (talk • contribs) 16:21, 3 August 2009

I noticed yesterday that it still was not working and made a fix request at Commons. Everything appears to be working normally now that the image was re-saved properly. Thanks, — Kralizec! (talk) 04:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move to name with apostrophe?[edit]

So what is up with moving the article to have an apostrophe in its name? Has that been discussed somewhere? It seems counter to the Manual of Style for the Hawaii project which says to not use okinas or kahakos in article names. W Nowicki (talk) 20:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted the move. As discussed at MOS:HAWAII, the apostrophe is not an appropriate substitute for the Okina and a true Okina is not possible. The current spelling seems to be the best option unless another conclusion is agreed upon at the Hawaii Portal or Manual of Style. --Travis Thurston+ 21:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Use of an apostrophe does not need to be excluded due to ‘English’ style guides. A citizens culture does not need to be white-washed by Anglocentric language. If you view the government of Hawai’i’s web pages you will see there grammatical use for the word. We can do better by being more inclusive of the diversity of all United States citizens. Lack of respect for this is continuing to perpetuate Anglo dominance. Eafleeen (talk) 07:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is English Wikipedia.

You may find positive ways to challenge "Anglo dominance" by assisting with Hawaiian Wikipedia, which is over that way⤵️
https://haw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiʻi

(Note that your apostrophe there may not be considered an adequate substitute for their ʻokina.) — RVJ (talk) 02:38, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Five volcanoes image[edit]

Is there a wikifairy out there who can make that image come back? Awien (talk) 01:43, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hualalai active?[edit]

I've always thought dormant too, but here USGS calls it active. Awien (talk) 21:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This keeps coming up again and again. The definition of an active volcano can be found here. The older literature used the terms interchangeably, which probably contributes to the current confusion. So, Hualalai is considered active (historically) but currently dormant. I'm not sure how we are supposed to classify it, but something like "active (currently dormant)" seems accurate to me. But, I could be wrong. Viriditas (talk) 22:21, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology quoted in the WP article, the criteria for active classification are: Eruption in historic times - Historical record - 500 years - C14 dating - 10,000 years - Local seismic activity - Oral / folkloric history, so Hualalai meets the most stringent of those since "Six different vents erupted lava between the late 1700s and 1801", "In 1929 . . . an intense swarm of earthquakes lasting more than a month was most likely caused by magma rising to near the surface" and "Hualalai is considered a potentially dangerous volcano that is likely to erupt again in the next 100 years." What would you think of saying "active (but not currently erupting)"? However, I have neither specialised knowledge nor strong feelings on the subject.
Btw, do I remember from a former version of your userpage that you live on Maui? Virtually all my time in HI has been spent on the Big Island, but next March I'll be spending a month on Maui (safely across the channel from Hualalai, Kilauea, Mauna Loa and company ^_-) Awien (talk) 22:54, 21 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Waikoloa[edit]

I've been doing a little research into Waikoloa and it seems that at one point the term referred to the "ahupuaʻa", which included the Puako area and mauka up to Waikoloa Village. So, when a user searches Waikoloa should they be directed to Waikoloa Village, the area of Puako (which includes Waikoloa resorts, golf courses, etc) or a dab page with sections (mauka and makai) explaining that both areas use the term. --Travis Thurston+ 06:41, 25 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you already created the dab page for Waikoloa which I suppose is fine, although there are many many insances where an ahupuaʻa or moku name has been replaced in general usage to mean a modern town or beach, and we probably do not need that many. Just a short note to that effect in the article is probably good enough. In this case, there already was an article for Anaehoomalu Bay which is the same place as Waikoloa Beach so they should be merged. No sense to have two separate articles unless they are separately notable. Anaehoomalu is marked as "orphan" so that is another reason to merge. W Nowicki (talk) 22:45, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Demographics hard to understand[edit]

"The racial makeup of the county was 31.55% White, 0.47% African American, 0.45% Kanaka Maoli, 26.70% Asian, 11.25% Pacific Islander, 1.14% from other races, and 28.44% from two or more races. 9.49% of the population were Hispanics or Latinos of any race."

So "Kanaka Maoli" means native polynesian hawaiians, and there is not very many of them (0.45%). What are the other 11.25% of the population (Pacific Islanders) then ? Samoans ? Or are they native Hawaiians too?Eregli bob (talk) 23:45, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: page not moved, per WP:PLACE#Disambiguation: "With natural features, the tag normally appears in parentheses". Since many "Island(s) of..." exist, a reader will probably find this one faster if it's first in the title. Miniapolis 15:03, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Hawaii (island) → Island of Hawaii – The name of the island, in English, is Hawaii. While obviously that is unavailable to us I'm not sure that we should resort to a parenthetical title when natural disambiguation is available to us. I think the suggested title is preferable (see also this diff, which I have not contributed to); "Island of Hawaii" seems the most natural way to refer to, well, the island of Hawaii. Red Slash 00:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That link clearly does not lend support to this idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dicklyon (talk • contribs) 06:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"The Island of Hawaii is the youngest island in the Hawaiian chain and is also by far the biggest" (from the link provided) Apteva (talk) 08:32, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That link is to a page titled "Hawaii, the Big Island". "Hawaii Island" and "the island of Hawaii" are both used in the text, but neither is used in such a way as to suggest that is the island's NAME. Certainly the name of the page is "Hawaii, the Big Island." --MelanieN (talk) 07:08, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as COMMONNAME Tiggerjay (talk) 11:17, 24 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – I do prefer natural ambiguation when it's natural, but this doesn't seem to be one of those times. It feels strained and unnatural. It's certain not the most common name for the Big Island, Hawaii, Hawaii Island, or whatever else it's called. Dicklyon (talk) 06:44, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose—Although the parentheses are a slight disruption, here they're the better choice. Tony (talk) 10:45, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. COMMONNAME is just "Hawaii" as stated several times above, but the primary meaning is the state. So the norm is to add "(island)" in order to disambiguate it. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 18:14, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Island of Hawaii" is not a natural or common name for this island. Neither is "Hawaii Island" suggested below. It is most commonly referred to as "the Big Island" but that is a nickname. Hawaii (island) perfectly captures the distinction from Hawaii, the state. --MelanieN (talk) 07:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Island of Hawaii makes it sound like a proper noun, like State of Delaware. Although I understand the arguments towards natural disambiguation I don't think this is it. Zarcadia (talk) 17:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per MelanieN. --BDD (talk) 17:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Support alternative Hawaii Island, see below. Andrewa (talk) 19:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: "Hawaii (island)" is far from natural. Prefering it over a slightly unnatural alternative seems odd. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Nothing wrong with the current name based on the naming conventions. In conversation when you use Hawaii and there seems to be a question about what you are talking about, one usually adds 'the island' so the current article title coverts this. Is there a better option as being discussed below, maybe, but I'm not comfortable endorsing any of the options raised there. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:42, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Hawaii Island?[edit]

How does Hawaii Island sound as a home for it? Apteva's link seems to suggest this is the preferred unambiguous title anyway... Red Slash 18:48, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I would tentatively support a move to Hawaii island but use of the capitalized I would suggest an official name. Zarcadia (talk) 17:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: Either Hawaii island or Hawaii Island would be preferable to the current name or the above proposal. But the official name isn't all that relevant either way. If I were writing it, I'd capitalise it as a proper noun. Wouldn't you? Vote below. Andrewa (talk) 19:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Hawaii island. Works, with less strain/forcing, simple deletion of two parentheses is probably a good idea whenever possible. To the extent that "Hawaii island" is forced, "Hawaii (island)" is worse. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't understand the desire for a capitalised I in "Hawaii island". Does a capital I imply that "Hawaii Island" is a proper name, which it is not? Maybe it will become a proper name due to Wikipedia. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • While Hawaii Island is rarely used, when it is, the I is most often capitalized.[2] Apteva (talk) 03:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are these usages including Title Case headings? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:21, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes. There are links at the bottom to the results, although those are not very satisfying. There are advanced options (click about ngram at the bottom) that can be played with, such as at the beginning or end of sentences. Apteva (talk) 14:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Hawaii Island (capitalised). Unambiguous, recognisable, natural, conforms to all relevant policies and guidelines, checks all the boxes in fact. Even uncapitalised it would be better than either Hawaii (island) or Island of Hawaii. Andrewa (talk) 19:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Hawaii Island --Travis Thurston+ 20:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose alternate.[3] Island of Hawaii has always been far more common than "Hawaii Island". (second is islands of Hawaii[4] lower case Hawaii island is down in the also rans) Apteva (talk) 03:37, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Um, wow, aren't computers getting clever. It's not a trick is it? It "Couldn't understand "Hawaii (island)"". I suspect that the book searches are picking up a lot of Title Case usage, in a paragraph of sentences, it isn't usually necessary to explicitly distinguish a state from an island. Support any of these variations over the current parenthentical.— Preceding unsigned comment added by SmokeyJoe (talk • contribs) 08:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Put it in brackets.[5] The correct choice is Island of Hawaii. Apteva (talk) 14:38, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Interestingly, Big Island of Hawaii has only become popular after 1980.[6] Apteva (talk) 14:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that's fascinating! Especially the huge increase right before WWII. People maybe were writing paranoid (but justifiably so!) books and such about using Hawaii in war? Who knows! Red Slash 23:24, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Big Island of Hawaii" has never been a common usage. The island is referred to as "The Big Island", period. That is the "common usage" and has been for many decades. It was certainly universal when I lived there in the 1970s. I'm not arguing to title this article "The Big Island" although I hope that is a redirect. I am arguing against any artificial construct such as "Hawaii Island" or "Island of Hawaii". The name of the island is Hawaii. Since the primary usage of that name is the state, the island should be dissambiguated with parentheses, as it is now. MelanieN (talk)
BTW note that Wikipedia routinely uses parentheses in this kind of situation - for example Washington (state). MelanieN (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge from county article almost complete, one last task.[edit]

The Merge from the county article is almost complete. There is one last task, and I'm leaving it up to this articles regular editors. This is the island article's old "Cities and towns" section. Except for it's lead (which I've integrated into the "Localities" section), it's just a less organized version of the county's "Localities" section. Could sombody check and make sure that everything listed here is in the "Localities" section (if it should be listed, I don't know what the story is behind the ones that aren't links).

Also the formating of this is much better then the formating of the "Census-designated places" sub-section of "Localities", but I couldn't figure out how to apply the formating to the sub-section. Somebody want to take care of that? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 00:54, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cities and towns[edit]

The island was traditionally divided into districts called moku. The names of the districts are (counter-clockwise, from the southeast): Puna, Hilo, Hāmākua, Kohala, Kona, and Kaʻū. The county government subdivides some of these to form elective districts of the county council. There are no incorporated municipalities on the island. Some of the named towns include:

No ʻokina?[edit]

There's inconsistency in this article on whether "Hawaii" (in the context of the island) should be spelled with or without an ʻokina (Hawaii or Hawaiʻi). I'm no expert on this. Anyone's thoughts? —Will(B) 17:57, 23 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Using Hawai’i is respectful and inclusive of the diversity Hawai’i brings to The United States. It’s government pages refer to it as Hawai’i and our citizens culture should be respected accordingly. Eafleeen (talk) 06:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Images[edit]

A new image of Hawaii, if anyone is interested in adding it to an image or other section. http://www.nasa.gov/content/island-of-hawaii-from-the-international-space-station/#.VPdcMvnF8mE Island of Hawaii from Space, February 28, 2015 from the International Space Station — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcardazzi (talk • contribs) 19:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment[edit]

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Demoted from B-class to Start-class. Needs references. —Viriditas | Talk 07:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 07:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 17:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

With more than fifty references in place, is the decade-old (Feb 2008) citations needed tag still appropriate? — 宜しくねー クロノ  カム  19:48, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Citations needed[edit]

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New Caledonia is much bigger than Hawaii (island)[edit]

NEW CALEDONIA IS THE THIRD LARGEST ISLAND IN POLYNESIA, NOT HAWAII With 18,000 sq. kms (7,000 sq. miles), New Caledonia is much bigger than Hawaii (island)--213.60.237.52 (talk) 20:44, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@213.60.237.52: While it is true that New Caledonia is bigger than Hawaii, the New Caledonia article states that "the archipelago, part of the Melanesia subregion …" New Caledonia is thus not in Polynesia, although many Polynesian people live there. Peaceray (talk) 22:46, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling[edit]

Shouldn't there be an explanation of the different spellings (with and without okina)? 71.235.184.247 (talk) 03:18, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Hawai'i" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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Requested move 2 July 2020[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Withdrawn as poorly worded by nominator. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 21:34, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hawaii (island) → Hawaiʻi – we use the ʻokina throughout the article, and this conforms to USGS orthography. — kwami (talk) 23:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note that this is not an argument to move the main Hawaii article, as the USGS does not use the ʻokina for the state: 

Geologic map of the southern flank of Mauna Loa Volcano, Island of Hawaiʻi, Hawaii.

— kwami (talk) 23:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose as Hawaiʻi currently redirects to the State of Hawaii, and I think that redirect should remain, as the state is the primary topic. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Agree with Rreagan007. The island is not the primary topic. If this page gets moved, possibly Hawaiʻi (island). Interstellarity (talk) 00:44, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not convinced that "Hawaiʻi" is the most common spelling in English. I'd like to see some evidence to support it as the most common spelling in English before moving it. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant to propose a move to Hawaiʻi (island), not to Hawaiʻi. — kwami (talk) 22:06, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Move discussion in progress[edit]

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Legacy and Historical Revisit of Capt. James Cook[edit]

In the history section of the article, the following is written:

Cook was killed on the Big Island at Kealakekua Bay on 14 February 1779, in a melee which followed the theft of a ship's boat.

The source supporting it is a digitized 1970 BBC biography of Cook, and may reflect an outdated historical consensus. I would like the opinion of interested editors as to whether this section should be edited to indicate that the death of James Cook is more nuanced than a melee resulting from the theft of a boat.

My personal opinion is that the article should be edited to convey that Cook made a series of poor decisions and was killed in his attempt to abduct the chieftain or ali'i, based on this source. Trogdor314 (talk) Trogdor314 (talk) 15:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have looked at several sources, which differ wildly in their descriptions of events. I visited (for several days) the area where Cook died, where I talked with a lot of the locals. Just as many different stories. The source you linked to looks good, and probably worth referencing in the article, but I think we also need to mention the lack of certainty about what happened. HiLo48 (talk) 00:21, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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