Talk:Hattori Hanzō

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Hanzomon line? The article contains the text, "To this day, artifacts of Hanzo's legacy remain; the Hanzo-mon subway line in Tokyo is named after him." I linked the article to the subway line, but I'm not sure the statement is true. First, the line might be named after Hanzo-mon, a gate of Edo Castle (and, presumably, located at Hanzomon Station), rather than for Hanzo personally; second, I'm not sure that the Hanzo after whom the gate and/or the line is named is Hattori. Hanzo was a common enough name that it could have been many other people. So, truth or urban legend --- does anyone have reliable information? Fg2 01:22, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)

See: http://www.skhquest.com/articles/HanzoHattori.aspx Cspenn

Thanks, I'd seen that, but I'm not sure how reliable it is. One of these days, when I'm experiencing that mythical event called "time off," I'll check the local library to see if they have the dictionary of place names in Japan. (It has one huge volume for each prefecture, and is considered authoritative.) Meanwhile, there's only my memory, and Lord knows, that's not considered authoritative! Fg2 23:36, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)

From http://www.crystal-lifes.com/sample3/neighborhoods.html: Perhaps this will shed some light on the matter:

HANZOMON

Hanzomon is named after Hattori Hanzo(el kapo del Samsho de SNK), a famous ninja, who spent almost all of his life in protecting Ieyasu Tokugawa(1542-1616), a warrior, who was the founder of the Tokugawa shogunate. Hanzomon (= Hanzo's Gate) was made in the hope that the gate would protect the Edo Castle just like Hanzo protected Ieyasu. Hanzomon is a major station of Hanzomon Line.

Theshibboleth 19:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

The comment "a master of all ninja techniques." flatly contracdicts the first Paragraph where is states "Whether Hattori himself was trained as a ninja is not confirmed." I assume the fist paragraph is the most accurate! LiamMJohnson 13:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

the one who succeeded Hanzō was Hattori Masanari in the hanzō article it says Hattori Hanzō was succeeded by his 18-year-old son but his son was born in 1565 so wouldnt he be 31 when he succeeded Hanzō?

Another video game

"Hanzo" also appears as a recruitable Iga Ninja ally in the SNES game Inindo: Way of the Ninja. Very interesting read, by the way.

Fiction v.s. History

The guy was a lord of iga region "PARTLY" famous for iga ninja. Some people appear to think that everyone from iga was kick arse ninja. That's pretty much same as thinking that M is also 00 simply because s/he is the boss of 007. Whether Hanzou trained himself as ninja is not known but a reference exist that he lead group of iga ninja to do sabotage (mainly arson) in number of battles. I might come back to do bit more editing mainly by translating from Japanese Wikipedia page. Yoji Hajime

Hi Yoji Hajime. Do you have references to authentic material about Hanzo?

Although "Hanzo" is indeed a name mentioned in the ABC television series "LOST", this does not refer to Japanese, Hatori Hanzo. In the series, the head of the Dharma Initiative is Alvar Hanzo.

contradictions

"Whether Hattori himself was trained as a ninja is not confirmed.

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He was an extremely skilled swordsman, tactician, spearman, and a master of all ninja techniques."

I don't know enough on the subject to make any changes.

No Japanese Textbook refers to him as a Ninja. The portrayal of such is just media hype dating back to the Meiji Era. To that end, he should always be referred to as a Samurai.

Name kanji

I can't read kanji, but the Japanese article has 服部正成 for his name. The ones for his first name are different here, therefore they're wrong? --83.169.152.25 20:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC) Oh, shoud have read the text further, it's all clear now.

Name Order?

Judging by the fact that Hattori Hanzo's father's name was Hattori Yasunaga, I'm guessing that Hattori is his family name. Isn't there some kind of policy about Japanese names having to be in the western naming order? Ziiv 21:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

You're quite right that Hattori is the family name. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles) specifies Japanese name order (surname first, given name last) for Japanese people born prior to the Meiji period. Fg2 04:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Probable plagiarism

Text in this article is word-for-word copied at http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html. That page has a copyright notice. Either their copyright notice is invalid because they've appropriated material from Wikipedia, or this page contains copyrighted material. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.171.54.27 (talk) 06:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

The center section of the article was plagiarized from http://www.samurai-archives.com/hanzo.html - the sengoku biographical dictionary was written between 1999 and 2004, and went online late 2004. I removed the plagiarized information. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. --Kuuzo 06:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Project Assessment

A nice solid biography, and an interesting read. But the list of references in popular culture is far too long; some of it has got to go. LordAmeth 19:30, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, I don't think a list of every video game he is referred to in is necessary. This problem has been discussed on the Talk:MOS/Japan, as you know. I'm just waiting for the list to build up then take an axe to it. Perhaps an inline comment in the section might be useful, any proposals for the wording?--DrHacky 04:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Fanboyism

I am very positive that Hattori Hanzo was killed by Fūma Kotarō. In fact, someone has been going to all the samurai who are characters in the Samurai Warriors game and changing all the articles into non-sense. ----

Four Hattori Hanzōs

There were four Hattori Hanzō. This may be confusing people. See: 服部半蔵. This should probably be explained (or separated/disambiguated):

1. Hattori Hanzō Yasunaga (服部保長): Father of the famous one
2. Hattori Hanzō Masanari (服部正成): The famous one.
3. Hattori Hanzō Masanari II (服部正就): Eldest son of the famous one
4. Hattori Hanzō Masashige (服部正重): Second son of the famous one.

The Kill Bill character is named so because of this tradition of the Hattori family passing down names. Hill of Beans (talk) 23:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:HattoriHanzo.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

You're not going to get a meaningful citation here.

In the surrounding mountains, there were large institutes for training in martial skills.[citation needed]

I can sympathize with the request for a citation here, but this statement is almost necessarily true. It was these very camps, and those like them throughout Japan, that originally gave birth to the "ninja" mythos, as these were the purported "ninja training camps", which were really just camps for garden variety guerilla mercenaries. The camps, and almost the entire story of Hanzo Hattori, are legendary. There is no reliable citation for most of the events ascribed to this era of Japanese history, revolving around the establishment of the Tokugawa bakufu. It's basically all myths and propaganda. --70.131.82.165 (talk) 23:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

In popular culture

• Hanzō frequently appears in jidaigeki. Actor Sonny Chiba played the role in the V-Cinema series Shin Kage no Gundan[1]. Many films, specials and series on the life and times of Tokugawa Ieyasu depict the events detailed above.
• In the film Kill Bill, Hattori Hanzō (Sonny Chiba) is a master swordsmith who is called upon to create a katana for the film's protagonist. It has been implied that this character is a descendant of the historical figure.
• The life of Hanzō and his service to Tokugawa Ieyasu is fictionalised in the manga "Path of the Assassin," created by writer Kazuo Koike and artist Goseki Kojima.
• Hanzō also appears in the 1999 jidaigeki movie named Fukurō no Shiro (Owl's Castle).
• The manga Basilisk features a character named Hattori Kyohachiro as an attendant to the shogun, being the son of the second Hanzō, and adopted son of the fourth Hanzō.
• In the novel Battle Royale the protagonist Shuya Nanahara's watch is described in page 82 as an "old, domestically manufactured Hattori Hanzō limited-edition diver's watch" donated to him through the orphanage.
• In a more romanticized setting, the manga Tail of the Moon features Hattori Hanzō and his clan.
• In the manga Ninja Hattori.
• In the parody anime and manga Gintama.
• In the anime Samurai Deeper Kyo.
• Hanzō appears as a recurring character in the Samurai Shodown video game series, appearing in every game in the series.
• In the World Heroes video game series, Hanzō serves as one of the main characters, and is portrayed as rivals with Fuma Kotaro, also featured in the games. Their rivalry is based upon the legend surrounding Hanzō's death.
• He is featured in Koei's video game series Samurai Warriors, where he is portrayed as a highly skilled ninja who makes frequent references to the shadows and is highly loyal to Tokugawa Ieyasu. In his Story Mode, he is attributed to the death of many of Ieyasu's rivals, including Imagawa Yoshimoto, Takeda Shingen, Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Sanada Yukimura. In Samurai Warriors 2, he has an extremely fierce rivalry with Fuma Kotaro. He wields a Kusarigama. He also appears in Warriors Orochi, a crossover between Samurai Warriors and Dynasty Warriors.
• In the popular anime/manga franchise Naruto a character named Hanzo stood as the leader of a ninja village. Hanzo was portrayed to be a powerful ninja and his name is likely a homage to Hattori Hanzo.
• In the first two games of the Gensou Suikoden series, a character named Hanzo is the leader of the hidden ninja village of Rokkaku.
• In World of Warcraft there is a weapon called the "Hanzo Sword" which looks like a Ninjatō.
• Hattori Hanzō is a Great Spy in Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword.
• In the manga Hagane, a parasite is injected into a young boy, giving him the memories and skills of Hattori Hanzo. It is suggested that the parasite itself is the original Hanzo, and that the historical "Hanzo" was a host for the parasite.
• In the film The Machine Girl, the villains (Yakuza said to be descendants of ninja) state that Hattori Hanzo is their family's name.

hanzo's son

the one who succeeded Hanzō was Hattori Masanari in the hanzō article it says Hattori Hanzō was succeeded by his 18-year-old son but his son was born in 1565 so wouldnt he be 31 when he succeeded Hanzō? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.133.132 (talk) 14:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding the "statements based" statement...

That's not even sources, that's just pointing up where one can find out more. One might easily find actual sources for all of that, but the characters themselves are usually even listed in Wikipedia's other articles (where they are either sourced or not, it's about other articles), just not described in such a detail. You can use not only google but even just the internal links to the main articles for quick verfication (or to their list of characters articles, for example: Hanzo Hattori on the list of Samurai Shodown characters, who is pretty well sourced there, and whom you removed here anyway for "statements based" thing). And the wikias are simply for more information regarding them (further reading).

Also these "statements" here are no controversial things whatsoever, nor any scientific stuff, nor someone's private opinions of any kind being pushed - it's just a neutrally-written, quick list of works and characters, like the whole article people of the Sengoku period in popular culture. But I did remove the YT link, for a random and substantional copyrights violation that is not even very informative. --194.145.185.229 (talk) 12:35, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Undue weight

Hi, Nikkimaria, I see you've added an undue weight tag. Can you elaborate on what, specifically, you feel is being given undue weight in the article, so we can work on fixing it? ~Swarm~ {talk} 05:54, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

As noted in the template itself, his popular legacy - it currently equals the rest of the article in size, which is disproportionate, and is inadequately sourced as well. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Hanzō’s death

This page it now states he was assassinated by a rival ninja named Fuma Kotaro, This is completely 100% false since we know from records he retired in 1593 and lived the last years of his life as monk and died at the age of 55 of natural causes. Llliii196 (talk) 13:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)