Talk:List of monastic houses in Scotland

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Non christian?[edit]

So far all the abbeys listed here are christian, but Scotland does have the Samye Ling tibetan buddhist monastery in Langholm in the borders [1], which is fairly famous and of decent size and standing. I can't see much reason not to list it here. Does anyone object? -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 15:08, 14 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I see no problem - there is nothing say that the page is intended to, or should relate exclusively to christian establishments.

In the England Abbeys list I have included a Buddhist meditation centre which was formerly a Priory - so this would merely be an extension of available relevant data.

--JohnArmagh 20:35, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Super. John, do you intend to undertake a programme of writing articles for all these myriad institutions (heck, even listing them is a major effort)? I have some photos of the abbeys at Dryburgh, Melrose, and Jedburgh which I could upload, and I could be persuaded to take one of Inchmahome, but writing the corresponding articles is rather low on my to-do list, as writing Cambuskenneth Abbey mostly exhausted my patience. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:27, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

White Castle / Nunraw / Sancta Maria Abbey[edit]

The current version of the List is very impressive! I would like some advice on how to separate the content of White Castle, East Lothian. White Castle was and is a hill fort. Sancta Maria Abbey is a Cistercian monastery. Nunraw Abbey is a Cistercian guesthouse and conference centre, not far from Sancta Maria. I have been there and know some of the people there. I would like to keep the White Castle article as an article on the hillfort, and I have enough material to do it. I would also like to have two separate articles on the two buildings. Sancta Maria is a modern building. Nunraw Abbey is a historic house. Can someone help, please? Renata (talk) 19:53, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Orkney[edit]

i) why is the Brough of Deerness not included ?
ii) what's about Golgotha monastery (Transalpine Redemptorists) on Papa Stronsay ?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.54.143.39 (talk) 19:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Geographical subdivisions[edit]

What is the basis for the current list of geographical subdivisions? Some appear to relate to traditional counties and others to modern council areas. For instance, Lanarkshire is listed, as well as City of Glasgow and South Lanarkshire, both of which overlap extensively with Lanarkshire. Aberdeenshire is linked to Aberdeenshire (traditional), but others link to modern council areas like Perth and Kinross, Argyll and Bute. Also, Highland, Fife, etc are no longer 'regions', as the Regions of Scotland were abolished in 1996. Would anyone object if I rearranged under purely modern council areas? Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 15:46, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is a tough call. Unlike Ireland, where the traditional counties have been retained, Scotland, like England (in some respects moreso) has undergone continual change in adminstrative districts - and there is nothing to suggest that administrative tinkering will not continue in the future - meaning that each administrative change requires a reorganisation of the list if it is to be based on current boundaries. I tried to adhere to a scheme which required least reorganising but retained some relationship to both historical and contemporary divisions and tended to settle on the layout of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scotland_Administrative_Map_2009.png. Even so I am not entirely satisfied with it. JohnArmagh (talk) 10:40, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Layout and scope[edit]

I've been watching the development of this article since before it's name change from Religious houses of Scotland which I had changed it to. John Armagh has put in a power of work in developing the separate UK articles and I doff my hat to him. I've also been working on an article in my own name-space—although not fo a bit—which I intended to replace the original one. PLease see User:Billreid/Religious houses. I wouldn't mind some comments on a comparison of the current layout with the one in my name-space. The important thing is getting the information out there and I think both formats do that but the system I was developing lists the houses under Order and the existing one is listed under local authotity area. The local authority information is also captured in the version I was developing. However, a purely monastic house article is only half the story and the other religious houses, namely, Hospitals, Cathedrals and Collegiate churches could be drawn together under the one article giving the researcher a single point of call. As I said, both versions attempt to do the same thing and if there's a concensus for the status quo then I'll leave the info in my name-space in case there is any info of value that can be used. --Bill Reid | (talk) 18:35, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've more-or-less completed the task of incorporating the details from Cowan & Easson. I deliberately settled on monastic establishment and excluding hospitals and secular colleges etc. partly because of the sheer number of them (as is the case in England) - I felt they would swamp the monastic houses, and additionally I found that if the list contains too many references that wikipedia can't handle it - which is why I had to divide the England list into counties and exclude the references from the List of monastic houses in England list which transcludes them. However that certainly does not mean that there is no case for a list of non-monastic religious houses for each of Scotland, England and Wales - however my personal interest does not extend to non-monastic establishments. Now that I have attended to England, Wales, Scotland and the Isle of Man, my next endeavour is to address the lists pertaining to Ireland. JohnArmagh (talk) 10:53, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've taken a look at Bill's list - and I think it is a valuable addition. Whilst most works on the subject use the division into monastic orders I was anxious to present a list which was geography-based. I was considering producing supplementary lists in monastic order order, but this was going to be a big task - and we each have only one lifetime. There certainly is no encyclopaedic conflict in having various presentations of the lists, so as to satisfy the reader's requirements. I for one would enjoy seeing Bill's lists become part of the available compendium on this subject. JohnArmagh (talk) 11:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I recently fixed "c." per MOS:CIRCA while fixing nine "missing end tag" errors in which italics were present at some point in a line of text but never closed. My edit was reverted citing a local consensus that apparently ignores MOS guidance in these "List of monastic houses..." articles regarding italics, circa, dashes, date ranges, and more. I have no interest in an edit war, so if the editor who reverted me could please fix the missing end tag errors, that would be helpful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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