Talk:Eric Pickles

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I think it was Bradford Council, not Brentwood. Needs checking. Secretlondon 17:13, Feb 1, 2004 (UTC)

That matches my recollection too. There was a Panorama program about education policy in Bradford when headmaster Ray Honeyford's assimilationist agenda was upsetting local Muslim community leaders in the early/mid 1980s. Pickles was council leader at the time. -- Alan Peakall 18:46, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Bradford Council according to his website and Hansard. Now changed. Vclaw 17:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Murphy[edit]

The edits made to the Eric Pickles article appeared to be unbalanced, and there is a sense of POV-pushing. It made an article that read as if the most important and noteworthy thing that Eric Pickles did in Bradford was arrange for Anthony Murphy to be expelled after getting upset at a leaflet. Whilst that may be important to you personally, I suspect that the average Bradfordian (let alone the average Englishman) wouldn't recall the Murphy incident today, whereas many of the other changes made in Bradford by Pickles are still remembered, and he is nationally notable now for his Parliamentary work.

This is not an article about Anthony Murphy, it is an article about Eric Pickles. Furthermore the reason stated for the edit ('Extremely important to show all of Pickles machinations and his victims') does not suggest this is being added to promote a neutral point of view. As it currently stands the article is neither praising Pickles nor condeming him, merely listing notable biographical events. The Guardian's biography of Pickles, for example, doesn't think Murphy relevant enough to mention. (Note that The Pickles Papers is not a biography, but an account of events during a specific time-frame written from one-side. Pickles is on record as contesting many of the claims made in that publication. It also references many, many other events in Bradford during those years that aren't of much biographical account now - they are there to tell that particular story)

Mauls 17:41, 18 March 2006 (UTC).[reply]

We shall have to agree to disagree. The Murphy incident was one incident that I felt should be flagged up. An account of an individual should not necessarily be all peaches and cream, as you would possibly prefer. You appear to be saying that because it happened some time ago we should forget how appallingly he treated a loyal Conservative Partyy activist, in so far as he had him expelled not from one Tory Association but two, regardless of the years of hard work put in by that party activist to achieve Conservative Party victories. You feel that this should be kept out of his rosy little biography which, I would argue, glosses over Pickles unpleasant side and so makes it POV anyway. Sussexman 20:41, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pickled Egg Controversy section.[edit]

I have removed this section as a blatant, albeit long-surviving, vandalism. This section was created in April 2010 by an IP user, whose previous edit history includes several other vandalisms. Additionally there is no source for this on the web prior to the April 2010 edit, the Channel 4 website cited in the article, is a post-edit source, and an obvious example of some journalist copying unsourced material off of Wikipedia. Having said that, however, if anyone can provide a contemporary source for the anecdote, feel free to revert my edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neodymium60 (talk • contribs) 11:55, 6 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

this is the first I have heard of the Pickled Egg - and I live in Brentwood and frequent the only fish and chip shop! --86.147.71.174 (talk) 18:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.147.71.174 (talk) 18:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Council prayers Controversy section.[edit]

It's not true to say that Pickles "overruled a High Court judgement". Ministers can't do that. He brought forward the implementation date of the Localism Act 2011, with the intention of nullifying the effect of a High Court ruling that determined that Bideford Town Council was in breach of the 1972 Local Government Act by scheduling Christian prayers as an agenda item at Council meetings.Blaise (talk) 17:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reply[edit]

I never said that Eric Pickles overruled a High Court Judgement, I said that he believes he is 'effectively reversing' the judgment.

"Effectively reversing". www.bbc.co.uk. BBC. Retrieved 20 February 2012.

And with reference to "Ministers can't do that", an Act of Parliament is supreme to common law.

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Use of Daily Mail and 'vandalism'.[edit]

A section citing this daily mail article was removed as vandalism. It seemed properly cited ..but the source should not be used

According to WP:Suggested sources one should "generally avoid British tabloids such as the Daily Mail, Daily Express, The Mirror and The Sun."
According to WP:BLPSOURCES, Material should not be added to an article when the only sourcing is tabloid journalism. When material is both verifiable and noteworthy, it will have appeared in more reliable sources.
According to wp:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_23#Is_the_Daily_Mail_a_reliable_source The Daily Mail ..often ends up having to issue an apology or retraction and pay damages.

JRPG (talk) 21:55, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

Article badly needs updating now. 86.141.67.217 (talk) 23:52, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What religion is Pickles???[edit]

What religion is Pickles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.24.26.189 (talk) 11:34, 9 February 2015 (UTC) I believe he is a Christian. When he was on Any Questions? on September 7 2018, I think it was him who said he regretted not becoming a man of the cloth - but I may have got that wrong, I may be confusing him with Stewart Jackson. Vorbee (talk) 20:01, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable References[edit]

  • Daleville (Alabama) Sun-Courier, 28 September 2014
  • The Times-Record (Fayette, Alabama), 15 June 2013 ~~ Xb2u7Zjzc32 (talk) 23:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted that section. As you say, the references are questionable and it doesn't seem significant. Thomas1974 (talk) 13:58, 8 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Parliamentary Review[edit]

I believe the reference to "The Parliamentary Review", should be deleted, as should the mention of Eric Pickles being its Chairman. "The Parliamentary Review" is merely a glossy magazine in which businesses pay to be featured, i.e. a form of advertising. It has nothing at all to do with the UK Parliament, but is carefully made to look like a bona fide official publication. Being 'Chairman' of this magazine is not an official appointment and is not worthy of mention in Wikipedia. "The Parliamentary Review" is published by a small private company, owned by an individual called Daniel Yossman. Daddy5319668 (talk) 16:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed it as 'not notable', either in itself or as a feature of Pickles' biography. William Avery (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet a knight[edit]

He is not a knight until the queen places a sword on both his shoulders. So it should not say "sir" yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.147.164 (talk) 16:25, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Knighthoods are officially conferred when a notice is published in the London Gazette. A search of the Gazette for 'Pickles' brings two results, neither of which are Eric Pickles. Until this happens, regardless of what his twitter account or media may say, he is not a knight. Dalliance (talk) 12:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Anti-corruption and related posts[edit]

Sidebar lists him as United Kingdom Anti-Corruption Champion from 2015-17, but the "Political offices" list at the bottom of the page lists him as incumbent. Which is it?

Article also doesn't mention relevant jobs as chairman of Acoba (Advisory Committee on Business Appointments) while he is simultaneously president of the Enterprise Forum lobbying group. But my source for this is the London Review of Books (https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n09/peter-geoghegan/short-cuts) which I'm not sure if that's a valid source.

Interesting that none of this is mentioned in the article introduction, whereas fully a third of that summary is dedicated to his interest in flags. I'm moving that section lower down as it is clearly not one of the most important facts about him; I can only assume it was put there to whitewash his public image with some quirky fun facts, which is not the purpose of Wikipedia. Durutticolumn (talk) 09:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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