Talk:Project .hack

Page needs a little more work

This page needs more work to flesh it out, particularly the descriptions. It's a decent start though. We must consider moving it potentially to .hack though, depending on whether or not we will have problems getting accessed from there. --Pipian

There is a new OVA called .hack//GIFT. I haven't seen it myself, but I hear it contains both SIGN and game characters, and is nonsensical satire to an extreme.

And maybe the collectible card game should be mentioned too.

.hack//GIFT was included on the .hack//Liminality Vol. 4 disk that came with .hack//Quarantine, and it's story would completely invalidate the entire world of //SIGN and the games. And the CCG was, I believe, cancelled, so both probably need this mentioned.

To shed more light on the .hack 'situation' during this time, could the .hack timeline be condensed onto this page? The timeline came with .hack//Liminality Vol. 1 as an easter egg, but should be viewable on the game's site. Otherwise, on the DVD, go to DATA, hit enter, and when the extras menu appears, highlight 'main' then hit right, and the screen will freeze for a second. Then hit left. I'll send the timeline if need be.--Naruttebayo

The future is nearly here

Good lord, has anyone else noticed that Pluto's Kiss is.. coming up, so to speak? After next week we should probably add something that says it was the future at the time, and is the past now. (things that take place in the future which eventually becomes our past are fun to look at once that 'future' has gone)

I had not, but I think your point is valid and agree. Reminds me of Crystalis, in which the world practically ended sometime in March of 1996. (the article says October 1, 1997, but I still have the cartridge and used to play it when I was like ten, and I definitely remember March.) -[Unknown] 08:30, Dec 19, 2004 (UTC)

• http://www.plutokiss.com Here's an ARG about Pluto Kiss. Notice the title bar? I completely support the motion for a Pluto Kiss section.

Rumors

Since .hack//FRAGMENT has been announced, the online rumors section seemed rather pointless.

"Four main storylines" "Other storylines" inaccurate

Someone needs to work these completely... .hack//AI buster was the FIRST .hack property to appear in public, with its first chapter appearing in a magazine before episode 1 of //SIGN aired or the first game was released. And the 5th of the "four main storylines" listed is definitely not something initial. See some release dates on the Japanese wiki page.

I agree; as .hack//G.U. will undoubtedly become a main storyline, various portions of the //Universe will have to be shuffled around. Perhaps "Major" and "Minor Storylines" could be used, or something similar. Organizing the articles in storyline order won't prove effective; what's written in the .hack article now helps newcomers find a place to start. That's why I'm also positing the creation of .hack timeline, a variant of this idea rife with spoilers, which could be a handy reference for those either refreshing their knowledge of .hack, or for the rest of us who lack the funds to read/watch/play part of the storyline and would like to be filled in in detail. --Matharvest 20:06, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, here's a Timeline of .hack I created with some help. It does not include the dates or years. http://jconserv.net/animeassociation/viewtopic.php?t=398 -Kulaguy

I second that motion for a timeline! Fervently. Also, the link for the ad hoc timeline above does not lead to it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.170.202.3 (talk • contribs) .

I think I might have found a time line look here http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060206/hack03.jpg

It looks a little confusing though. --Coolkid602006 10:21, 17 September 2006

Vandalism Alert: The case of Harold Horwick

It seems some kid registered http://www.plutokiss.com and plugged his Blogger(tm) webblog masked as an official site. As fun has it seems we are deleting it for it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Requiem the 18^th_(email) 08:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

68.154.232.217 self pluged himself again, just reporting

Try reading up on what ARG means mortal. Alternate Reality Game ilovebees

You may say so but inquiring Google about the popularity of that site yields zero results (see here) meaning this is a one man campaing. Also, there was a link from that page to a blog and it magically vanished today, so I suspect you (68.154.232.217) control the website. The fact that the site was regitered at a dialup provider doesn't add to it's credibility, and the fact that it is your only contribution to wikipedia doesn't help ypu either. -- your fellow mortal ;), Requiem the 18^th_(email)

I agree with Requiem18th. Even if it wasn't a "one man [campaign]", it wouldn't belong on this page. It would instead belong on a page like Alternate reality game or List of alternate reality games (though the last one doesn't exist, and shouldn't unless there are many of them). --nihon 05:36, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

There are many of them. The site is not registered to a dial-up provider, that's a proxy registrar. No, I'm not the owner, I just frequent Unforums and this is not my only contribution, I use many different computers with dynamic IPs. This is no campaign, it's a site that has to do with .hack, just like every other site listed. By your reasoning, all the fansites should be removed.

No need to go to extremes. Going futher with your exagerated analogy we would list every single fan site about .hack in the web ne? Instead we list only the most prominent ones. Now, there is an ongoing disscusion about how popular must a fansite be in order to be inlcuded but, zero google hits? come on... No wait! suddenly there are 2 new hits, coincidence? who knows... Well well, I don't want to bite a new comer so I'm being extra nice, I won't delete it if we get consensus, voting please!! Requiem the 18^th_(email)

• Remove as per above. Requiem the 18^th_(email)

Um, which site are we talking about here, you lost me. User:Code_2008

Legend of the Twilight

Please do not change this title. This is the official English title used by Tokyopop and Bandai for the releases in the States. I checked on the Amazon.co.uk site to see if they used "Bracelet" in the title, and while I can find it listed three times with "Bracelet" in the title, I can't find any covers that actually have the title using "Bracelet." --nihon 21:56, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

The reason why people add Bracelet in the end is because that is the translation from the original Japanese title. The original Japanese title is Tasogare no Udewa Densetsu, which, I think, translates to Bracelet's Twilight Legend. Kulaguy 00:23, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, but general practice on Wikipedia is to go with the official English title for shows/books/etc. that were not originally written in English. It all works out the same now, however, since "Legend of the Twilight Bracelet" redirects to this page. --nihon 00:27, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

BlackRose

I managed to have the Black Rose (.hack) page redirect to the newly created BlackRose page. So all links linking to Black Rose (.hack) should redirect you to BlackRose, the real username of the character. Kulaguy 04:19, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I've also created a Mimiru page. Enjoy! Kulaguy 04:37, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

kudos!! I wanted to do that long ago, but I wasn't sure if I was suppoused to change BlackRose into Black Rose or Black Rose into BlackRose, was there some process to take this desition? (not that i am complaining) --Requiem the 18^th_(email)

I've created the Reki page! I hope it's not bad! I put in all the information i knew about Reki. At least no one can have a brief discription of him anymore!! Cool or what? User:xhackerofdacentuaryx

Curl/Karl

You can romanize it as Curl if you want, but Karl isn't a "mistranslation", so I'm taking out that part. Her name is based on an actual snack food she likes to eat, which romanizes its own name as "Karl" ([[1]]). I can't think of any source where her name is romanized "officially" other than Analysis, and Analysis isn't taken as a consistent source of romanizations since among other things it romanized Crim as "Krim". Sometimes katakana words just have no right or wrong romanization. --Narfness

Ah well, I'll still go with the Curl. I mean, a female character named Karl is just weird. And if anybody changes it back to Karl, I'll just leave it alone. We'll have to wait until TokyoPop's translation, though, since they have been known to make many mistranslations (i.e. the infamous Orca/Ouka translation), I have no idea what I'm waiting for. Kulaguy 04:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Concerning Release Dates

For whoever put in those false release dates for GU, shame on you. There has been no confirmed release date for any of the GU games except that all of them will be released in Japan in 2006. Kulaguy 14:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Uh, I thought Bandai USA announced a Summer release for the first one, according to EGM.

Bandai didn't announce any release. It's just another bull**** release made by EGM. Kulaguy 01:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

The .hack//G.U. game (Part 1) are supposed to released in Japan on May 18, 2006. User:Code 2008

According to IGN: .hack//GU Part 1: Rebirth, Bandai has listed the release date as October, 2006 for the US. Would there be any dissent to adding the tentative release date with a caveat emptor? :-) Isarian 04:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Eb Games/GameStop stores recieved their shipment of .hack//G.U. games yesterday which was the release date for the game, October 25, 2006. The game also shipped with a counter part special edition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElderOfNar (talk • contribs)

AI buster Series Information, Characters, Template

Worked on the .hack//AI buster and .hack//AI buster 2 (Particularly the Kamui and Rumor Sections) pages, removed the clean up tag, read the appropriate talk pages for information

Created Lycoris's and fixed Albireo's page on info related to AI buster 2 story and his firing due to the Twilight.

Added new character pages to template:.hack//TEMPLATE.

Shamanic Enzan 14:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Also: Please use Shugo for links to Shugo's page until the redirect works

.hack//ROOTS

Someone with more knowledge than me should add info about this anime into the article. Commander Nemet 02:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

I have seen all released eps up untill now and have read about it a bit. I'll fix it later today ^^. It seems a seperate article already exsists about .hack//roots Hobbit_Marco 10:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

.hack//Twilight - Inclusion in Other storylines

Sorry if I made a mistake. It was my first encounter with a fanproject article. Though here is my reasoning for my actions.

The .hack article talks about the franchise and is divided into two sections.

• Main storylines - The four initial storylines of the franchise were:
• Other storylines - Other storylines of the franchise that were created later were:

From the .hack//Twilight game's official website

• .hack//Twilight is a 2D MMORPG that runs on the PlayerWorlds game engine, and is based on the .hack series.
• We are not related in any way with CC2, Bandai, or others related with Project .hack. .hack and all related belongs to their respective owners.

Using the article on the Final Fantasy franchise as a guide, I also did not see any fanprojects listed there either.

In conclusion, I do not think that .hack//Twilight belongs in either section as readers may think it as an official part of the franchise or that it should be concidered canon storywise.

Though if you all think it is really notable enough, perhaps it should get it's own section?

Mark4011 12:59, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

There has to be a way to measure the size of this project, any information on game population, popularity and notability? --~~

I'm going to remove .hack//Twilight from the article because it's not officially sanctioned by the .hack Conglomerate. Soulsteelgray 20:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Roots and G.U.

.hack//roots is placed in main storylines, but .hack//G.U. is in other storylines. shouldn't they be in the same category? roots is part of G.U. storyline.

I think G.U. is a whole seperate story. More a follow-up. The game has changed too, since they use The World:r2 now. And they're going to release the whole lot aroung G.U. tv series (.hack//roots), games, ova's, a new card game etc. Maybe we should create a seperate section for it? Hobbit_Marco 17:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

This is exactly what I've been pushing for so long. All G.U. stuff goes in the .hack//G.U. article. Soulsteelgray 18:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm removing the link to .Hackers.net, none of their infomation is any good, please do not readd the link again.--Daipenmon 02:08, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Phases

Err... why are the Phases on this page? Kulaguy 13:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

You're right. They shouldn't be. They were merged without discussion because of outdated merge tags. Axem Titanium 22:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Waves and Spells

I'm surprised there isn't anything written down for this. Could there possibly be a section for this in one of the .Hack areas? I would like it if all of the names of certain elements for spells would be listed. Also, I would also love to see a section on the different waves in the .Hack universe. I think it should be explained that waves are what magic is called in "The World". So far, all I know is that three hexagons are the symbol for earth, and a triangle and a zigzag are the symbol for Lightning/Thunder. (Taken from AI Buster.) This also shows up as certain characters' markings, so we could always look out for those. CrazyNekoRun 10:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the elements of the "Wave" are: Fire Water Earth Wood Thunder Air (i think)and Darkness

Thats all of them. But, i don't know what the markings are, as there is no mention of their "markings" in any other .hack book or PS2 or T.V series that i know of, or what they symbolise apart from in A.I Buster. But that, as we know, only shows the symbols for only two of the elements. Oh well! Xhackerofdacentuaryx 12:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Etymology?

Where does the name come from? 68.168.80.4 00:49, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Additional Sites

It seems to me that www.dothackers.net has it's website shown for it's incredible knowledge in keeping people up-to-date, so why not put up .hack//Integral or www.dothack.org? This website features the LARGEST Known gallery of .hack ON THE WEB.

Any Comments?

According to WP:C, If you know that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright, do not link to that copy of the work. Pictures (as in the gallery you mentioned) are a copyright violation, hence those sites can't be added here. Kazu-kun 04:11, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Canon

I added which storylines are canon and which are not, if that's okay. -EmiHinata from .hack//Wiki

May I ask why it was changed back? I could understand some of the capitalization, but to differentiate the canon and non-canon works would help clear up some misconceptions. 70.190.121.126 04:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Canon is a fan term, which not everyone is familiarized with. Also, you need reliable source to indicate what is canon and what is not. Without proper citation, such statement is just a personal opinion, which is not suited for wikipedia.Kazu-kun 05:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

How would I exactly properly give a reliable source? Do I need scans or something? The majority of the stuff is only in Japanese... would the .hack//Wiki be source enough? Also, I take back the thing about understanding capitalization... why is that changed back as well? The capitalization for SIGN and the first four games should be in all caps; it's not like that for every series, though, because Roots isn't completely capitalized... and the sources for that are the official logos. Hell, the .hack//Wiki is even linked to here yet the canon isn't stated here... 70.190.121.126 07:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

About the capitalization thing. It's wikipedia policy; "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules even if the trademark owner encourages special treatment" (Take a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (trademarks))

About the citations. The wiki can't be used, but magazines or infobooks would do. You don't need scans, using a citation template you can identify the title of the magazine, chapter, page, publisher, etc.

Also, as stated above, the term "canon" should be changed for something less crufty. Maybe a general statement after the series list would do. Something like:

"A, B, C, D, and E series are part of the main storyline continuity, while the rest of the series (or F, G, H series) belong to alternative continuities."

Yes, that look encyclopedic enough. You may take it as an example.Kazu-kun 07:53, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

How idiotic. You claim that you shouldn't use .hack//Wiki as a source, yet you blatantly copy and paste articles from there. Examples: Endrance, Tri-Edge and Epitaph of Twilight. There's also the fact Wikipedia used .hack//Wiki as a source for info on the creation and point system of the Adept Rogue class of The World R:2. And canon is not a fan term. Just because fans use it, that doesn't make it a fan term. Bandai and CyberConnect2 controls the canonity of .hack. Watch the Terminal Disk and such. Read the actual materials instead of basing canonity on Wikipedia policy. Kulaguy 21:41, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

First, there's not need to be rude. Second, you misunderstood what I meant by "source". I was talking about reference to be cited as footnotes in order to back up claims (take a look at WP:REF).

There's no problem in taking text from the .hack//Wiki, because it is under GFDL, as stated in Wikia's creation policy. Nervertheless, if there's a claim likely to be challenged, it needs to be referenced, and wikis (in general) can't be used for that purpose.

The problem with "canon" is that is a term which not everyone is familiarized with. We try to avoid this when possible here (per guidelines). When is no possible we use the term along with a brief description, but in this case we can use a different wording to convey to same idea (ie: main continuity/alternative continuities), so there's no need to use "canon".Kazu-kun 22:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Read my message again. Some of our sources are the Terminal Disk that came with .hack//GU Rebirth, and the ACTUAL text and media themselves. Second, as I said before, Bandai and CC2 control what is canon, and what is canon is decided in the works themselves, not Wikipedia's policy. Third, I know you can plagiarize from my Wiki, but if you can do that, WHY can't you use it as a source? Is the Wiki good enough for you to copy and paste from but not use as a source? Because as I see it, both actions are EXACTLY THE SAME. And if you say we shouldn't use the term "canon", why didn't you just rewrite Emi's edits as "main continuity" and "alternative" as you just noted? This is why I don't bother messing with the .hack Wikipedia pages because most of the main editors here are bigger asses than I am and are such a stickler for their goddamn policy that it isn't worth contributing here. Yes, it's rude. Deal with it. As I see it, all you're gonna do is complain about how rude I am and just completely ignore my points that show you are a hypocrite. Kulaguy 00:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

First off, the rule here on Wikipedia about using regular English is honestly just plain stupid... the work is meant to be titled/referred to in a certain way as per its creators; referring to it differently is incorrect. If this is supposed to be "encyclopedic", then you would want facts, correct? Or would you not prefer facts over policy? And he wasn't rude; the only rude thing stated was "how idiotic". As for referencing, WHY NOT USE THE WIKI? The .hack//Wiki references anyway, so if you reference the Wiki, you're referencing the sources. Besides, you said "in general"... the Wiki is heavily policed by many people, including me; there's almost ALWAYS someone on there to correct a mistake. As for looking encyclopedic enough... it doesn't always look encyclopedic, and even if it needs to look so, both ways are fine, really... Also, what if you don't know the exact page of the article in the infobook? I personally don't own it, but I completely believe it because it makes sense and the people are trustworthy. 70.190.121.126 22:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

See, Emi brings up a completely good point on interpretation. Just because I inserted "How idiotic" at the beginning of my message, it completely changed the interpretation to someone being rude. If that wasn't there, the interpretation would be different. This is what I laugh at. When people interpret my messages as rude, they get so arrogant they believe they can defeat my valid points with a simple "You're being rude." Ah, the wonders of the internet. Kulaguy 00:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I want to make it clear that I do think that identifying what series are canon is a good idea. I just want to do it in accordance with the guidelines. Also, the "terminal disc" is a good start for references. Well, as I said in a post above, a general statement after the list of series could work. Here's the example I posted before (with some modifications); take a look at it and comment:

"A, B, C, D, and E series are part of the main storyline continuity. F, G, H and I series belong to alternative continuities."

I think this wording + the "terminal disc" (and any other source we can find as well) as reference would do the trick.Kazu-kun 04:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

You just completely ignored half of what was said. "any other source we can find as well"... the .hack//Wiki, which is already linked to, GIVES us the sources, which would then make IT a source, would it not? Not to mention you contradicted yourself by using canon.

Anyway. Even better would be revamping the page. G.U. isn't some little "other storyline" or what it has there; it's part of the storyline. The only "storylines" there are are canon and non-canon, end of story. G.U. (and the rest of the .hack Conglomerate) is just as important in the canon as the .hack Project, so having them under different headers is just plain ridiculous. So now we'd have a big header reading either "Canon Works" or "Storyline" or some such thing, and then a header under it reading "Non-Canon" or "Alternate Storyline" or something. But, I think having "Alternate Storyline" MIGHT confuse people... it might not, too, but I dunno. I still think "Canon" and "Non-Canon" are okay, especially seeing as there's already a Wiki article here on "canon". 70.190.20.253 05:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I made some editing on the article. Personally, I think now it's clear what is canon and what is no-canon. Take a look and tell me what you think about it.Kazu-kun 06:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

MUCH better! Except, take out the whole "sequel" part... the article talks about .hack in general, not just the .hack Project, so it's pointless to have "sequels" when it's talking about the series as a whole. Just put those under "Main Storylines - Canon". I still personally think that the whole Wikipedia policy of keeping completely regular English is stupid (then for instance, song titles must be regular too, which is stupid because it's creatively done sometimes), but really, the page is better. 70.190.121.126 06:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I changed the page to look a bit better. Except, can you make the "Project .hack" and ".hack Conglomerate" parts under small headers instead of just the names with a colon after it? I don't know how to do that, so I didn't put it in; all I know is how to make a big header. 70.190.121.126 07:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

mmm. You know, even though this article is named ".hack", it's meant to be about "Project .hack". The article about ".hack Conglomerate" is .hack//G.U..

I think both article have to remain separate (even the .hack//Wiki has separate articles for both franchises), but we could move this article to "Project .hack", and .hack//G.U. to ".hack Conglomerate". That would make things more clear. Don't you think so?Kazu-kun 07:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, then, we need to change the article's title to "Project .hack", because it makes no sense for it to be about .hack in general yet have "Sequels" and such. And why'd you take out all the other stuff I added? You could've just put it under "sequels".... 70.190.121.126 17:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Well. I moved .hack to Project .hack, and .hack//G.U. to .hack Conglomerate. I also did the necessary rewording in the lead on both articles. Sorry for the stuff I deleted. You may add it once again.

It's much better, though I'm going to change the .hack Conglomerate page just SLIGHTLY to look like the Project .hack (with the canon info) page. 70.190.121.126 22:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

EDIT: OK, check out what I did with .hack. Comments welcome.Kazu-kun 18:30, 13 June 2007 (UTC)