Talk:Phil Goff

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"Goff's performance in government is generally considered to be mediocre, despite his being one of the better known members of the Labour Party." - is this a legit change? Clockwork Troll 00:22, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I wouldn't say so, no. On the other hand, the original statement could probably be seen as POV as well, since there's no evidence presented to back it up. I've removed the comment about his performance altogether, although it could be re-added if a concrete source emerges to back it. -- Vardion 01:24, 25 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Ethical or POV[edit]

"Goff is a strong advocate of putting ethical issues before national interests." Surely this is not a neutral statement, it is poly speak. It can be easily challenged, for example, Goff's handling of calls for inquiry into the Christchurch Creche (Ellis) case can be seen as putting institutional (national) issues above ethical. I'm asking for it to be removed. RichardJ Christie 22:53, 2 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PM?[edit]

Who is the caretaker Prime Minister? [1] says it is GoffTshiels1 (talk) 05:39, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

they have now changed itTshiels1 (talk) 03:13, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Helen Clark is still the Prime Minister. She only resigned as leader of the party, not of the country.--Anon 09:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

1990 election[edit]

I should note that while no New Zealander was surprised by the result of the 1990 election, Goff's televised concession speech (filmed at his home) was particulally well-spoken and the dramatic high-point of that election. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.254.246.237 (talk) 17:33, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Goff Photo[edit]

Is there a newer one? - nz26 Talk | Contribs | Email 10:22, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree -- the photo on this page looks old and like it was scanned from a newspaper or magazine. The photo on his parliament page is a clearer and I assume newer image ([2]) can it be used on here? 81.141.144.76 (talk) 20:18, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No it can't, unfortunately (it's the same situation as the PM's picture). The image is copyrighted. I can't find the copyright information, but I'm sure the usual Crown Copyright applies to the Parliament website. The only alternative is that someone submits their own pic of Goff (as is the case with the John Key article --Lholden (talk) 21:50, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposed Name Change[edit]

I propose changing the name of this page to Philip Goff (politician). There are currently three pages with similar names.

Phil Goff, New Zealand politician;
Philip Goff (philosopher), British philosopher
Phillip Atiba Goff, America psychologist and race and police researcher.

I don't know if there is a more graceful way to resolve this issue, or how all this will affect how these names will be ranked in searches off Wikipedia, but this seems like the most equitable solution to me. DolyaIskrina (talk) 14:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose this. Phil Goff is invariably called Phil, and renaming the article to use Philip would be very unintuitive. Unless the philosopher or the psychologist are also commonly and professionally called Phil (which is perhaps less likely for academics) there is no need for disambiguation of this article title.-gadfium 20:49, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you'd feel the same about "Phil Goff (politician)"? I'm trying to find a way to make the disambiguation page the default. That would require a "Phil Goff" wikipedia search to redirect to the disambiguation page. That is to say, we'd need to rename this page in some way. Here in the States, Philip Goff (philosopher) is searched enough to be the first name that comes up in a google search. I think... I'm not too savvy about whether what I see in my personal google or duckduckgo search is representative, but regardless, Philip Goff (philosopher) is indeed getting a lot of media attention. Perhaps there is another workaround. DolyaIskrina (talk) 21:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]