Talk:Seán Lemass

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Age[edit]

There's confusion about whether he was born in 1889 or c1900 throughout the article - it describes hims as being only 59 when he succeeded deV and 71 when he died but that doesn't match his given birthdate. Which is right? Timrollpickering 16:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Garvin[edit]

I added a reference and ISBN for Tom Garvin's (Professor of politics at UCD) book which has just been removed. Reasons for removal, please, or put it back.Stamboul 14:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality claims[edit]

" It was a crucial role for the officially neutral Ireland (in fact, as since released government papers by Ronan Fanning, professor at University College Dublin, show, the neutrality was to a significant part fiction, with the Irish government secretly aiding the Allies; the date of D-Day, for example, was decided because of weather forecasts from Ireland, which indicated the incoming weather systems from the Atlantic, the right weather being crucial to the success of the Normandy landings)."

Unless someone can provide some sort of basis for this claim I feel that it should be removed. Aside from being poorly written it is a pretty outrageous claim to make without some kind of evidence to back it upBrenji (talk) 18:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

'Fictional' Neutrality[edit]

"Irish neutrality was to a significant extent fiction, as revealed by government papers released years after the war[citation needed]. The Irish government secretly aided the Allies; the date of D-Day, for example, was decided because of weather forecasts from Ireland, which indicated approaching weather systems from the Atlantic, the right weather being crucial to the success of the Normandy landings)."

I'm removing this. Please demonstrate the source. We were neutral and suffered from threat of invasion from Nazi Germany (aided by the IRA), the UK, AND the U.S.A. At many points during the war representatives of all three powers found our neutral stance most unhelpful (tough, Ireland came first). Fergananim (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My recent edit[edit]

Hi all! I recently made this edit to (hopefully) help reflect the weight of Lemass' efforts in helping Ireland finally reach the 21st century with regards to industrialisation, FDI, and globalisation (note that it was Lemass that finally convinced the EEC to grant Ireland membership, after two failed applications). I wanted to make a note here, as I used the term "widely regarded." I don't have the appropriate wiki-bet soup handy, hehe, but I'm fairly certain that we have editorial guidelines against using what I believe are called "weasel words." If someone has the time and inclination, I would ask a fellow editor to affirm that the phrase "widely regarded" is appropriate here, and if not, feel free to revert away. If it's a matter of finding more sources to give more weight to the fact that Lemass is, in fact, widely regarded as the father of modern Ireland, I can certainly add them. Thanks in advance! ocee^{Conas tá tú?} 19:00, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

He did help but he also ran the protectionist economic system for most of 1932-60 that wrecked the economy. He then did good, but it was a case of him seeing the light after 3 decades. Portraying him as a genius who emerged after de Valera retired is not the whole truth.86.42.215.68 (talk) 13:02, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Ancestry[edit]

Never mind that the sources used to support the statement that he "was of French Huguenot descent" aren't reliable sources and don't even said that - they directly contradict it. The first source says his father had Huguenot origins - which is partially true. The second source is a family tree showing that his father's mother was a Murphy (a Irish name) and Sean's mother was a Phelan (also an Irish name). So the surname genealogy is Huguenot but that's not his entire ancestry.Jonathan f1 (talk) 20:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I haven’t contributed anything to this article, but if his father is of French Huguenot descent then so is he? That’s how genealogy works? I don’t understand what your issue is with that statement, reliability of the sources aside.

Also see WP:SOFIXIT

Xx78900 (talk) 21:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I’ve just seen that you can’t WP:FIXIT because you’ve been banned from editing article space due to biased editing. I also see that in your editing history you focus a lot on the perception of the Irish race, so I’m not going to engage anymore with you. Xx78900 (talk) 21:33, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]