Talk:Lolo Ferrari

Image

I put back in the image removed without explanation. It seems to me to be more bizarre than pornographic, and illustrates the point of why Wikipedia has an article on her. If someone thinks it should be removed from the article please give an explanation, and if someone thinks it should be removed from Wikipedia, list it as appropriate on Wikipedia:Images for deletion, Wikipedia:Copyright problems, or Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images. -- Infrogmation 15:50, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

That image is pornographic

I do not expect to see images like that when browsing an encyclopedia. There are images you could use that are not pornogrpahic, for example the guiness book of records included a fully clothed picture of her which was just as amazing as the one which is here. For that reason i will remove the image and post it on the deletion thingy.

Image:LoloFerrari.jpg formerly illustrating this article has been listed on Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion in the section for 4 April. If anyone wishes to comment, please do so there. -- Infrogmation 04:59, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If the anonymous commenter above has a fully clothed picture of our Lolo, I invite him to upload it. Until then, let's keep the only image we have in the article. dbenbenn | talk 01:12, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I was the anon commentor above i forgot to add my sig. The image is pornographic so it cannot be in a formal site like wikipedia. I wouldn't know where to look for a picture of her fully clothed and i wouldnt know if it was copyrighted or anything either. A clothed picture would illustrate the reason why we have her article just as well. Children look at this site too and it shouldn't be there. Borb 23:20, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Borb, remember that Wikipedia is not censored. It's not too pornographic (it's really just a picture of her body, look at Penis, Clitoris, etc and you'll see much more objectionable content) Gkhan 23:38, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

The stuff on Penis and Clitoris is encyclopedic though; the images are invaluable on those pages (imagine trying to exlain where the clitoris is in words) but i just don't think the image in questoin is necasary. It makes wikipedia look bad i think, i could find that sort of stuff with a quick google search, no more pornographic but it would still be frowned upon.

It is encyclopedic in the way that it's a picture of her, and we also get a much better impression of her breasts with the picture (as that is the main thing she is famous for). An image says more than a thousand words, or, in this instance, more than an entire article. And since it's not too bad (it's not too pornographic, look at for instance SuicideGirls which has a comparable image). Please leave it alone until decision on it's deletion is through. Gkhan 23:52, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

An image of someone merely nude is not pornographic. I would have used a less revealing photo of her, myself, but there you go. —tregoweth 14:48, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

Year of birth

How come two different years are given for her year of birth? Do we not know this for sure? Is it a matter of dispute? Dan100 20:55, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

"As a teenager, she obtained a few modelling jobs then in 1988 at age 17, she married Eric Vigne, a man 22 years her senior." If Lolo was born in 1962, then in 1988 wouldn't she have been about 26 years old?

Web sources list three different dates. The BBC listed her at 30 at ToD. This puts her birth year at 1970, and the BBC is pretty reliable. IMDb, another reliable source, lists her birth date as November 8. Others list it as Februray 9. If anyone has access to a better source (like medical records/birth certificates, then please advise). Rklawton 20:44, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Lolo lied about her age. Her age was originally said to be 30 at the time of death but as her past was looked over due to the circumstances of her death, it became evident that she was a lot older. Triangle e 19:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

And now there's the year 1968 in the english page, and 1963 in many other languages pages (all of them sourced). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.217.34.245 (talk) 08:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Singing

She was put in the french singers category, but Lolo never sang. She was just a dancer.

She did indeed sing, or at least, released recordings. I guess you could say she was a singer, much as you could say that Quincy Jones is a singer :) Jalabi99 14:31, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

"Drugs"

Hello. I've just read about a "regimen of drugs" in the article. Careful. That word is a bit ambiguous! in the UK this means heroine, cocaine & friends; in the U. S. though, this stands for pharmacological products usually given by a doctor/psychologist/psychiatrist (rohypnol, etc.)(UK: pharmaceuticals). What do you guys mean now? (I vote for pharma...) -andy 80.129.99.60 03:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Dates of birth and death

Lolo Ferrari died during the early hours of Sunday, 5th March, 2000, the day following her 38th birthday, which means her birth and death dates should read (March 4, 1962 - March 5, 2000). Due to the nature of her work, Lolo lied about her age using both February 9 and November 8 as her birthday. Her age was originally said to be 30 at the time of death but as her past was looked over due to the circumstances of her death, it became evident that she was a lot older. The BBC reported her death on the Monday morning, hence the date on the BBC article being Monday, March 6, 2000.

by the way there reads that she died from natural cause the finnish wikipedia says that she was choked 88.113.81.100 (talk) 12:57, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

String implants

Hi, I just registered and I've added something to the Lolo article. The porn stars who had the string implants should be disqualified due to the fact that they're now illegal and they continue to grow and since Lolo Ferrari had standard silicone implants, she should still be considered the woman with the largest surgically enhanced bust. I really wish people would stop undoing my work as it is not inaccurate or anything.

Could you please explain that again? Why isn't a bust with string implants surgically enhanced? The fact that it is illegal in the US is of no importance. I think the statement is inaccurate and it should be removed (not doing it myself though, awaiting your explanation). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.227.26.232 (talk) 18:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

The name of the band is Silicone Girls. I was the one who wrote Silicone Sisters by mistake. The other two members are sisters. Their names are Audrey and Karine Jablecki.

May I have permission to write about Lolo's parents and her childhood? Also her husband was once a convicted drug dealer who underwent numerous cosmetic surgeries as well.

I've provided accurate and additional information culled from a news article I found online. Please don't undo what I have written. Please read the article first.

I also removed inaccurate information such as she died several days after recording Set Me Free. She died a few years after she recorded it. Also, I don't think anyone needs to know if her fingernails were real or not, so I removed that too.

I have worked very hard to re-write this article, removing tedious details I wrote when I first expanded it and as well as correcting errors I made and adding in new information. This is 100% real info. Please read the article I have added first before undoing everything I re-wrote and corrected.

Contradiction?

Appearance section says:

"Ferrari remains to this date the woman with the largest bust enhanced with standard silicone implants."

but Controversy section says:

"Since Lolo's death, englishwoman Jack Fletcher has taken over the mantle of the world's largest bust, achieving a record 200 cm."

PC78 14:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

No contradiction. Lolo is the biggest silicon breast in history. Fletcher is the biggest, period.--SidiLemine 16:32, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Crazy vandalism. Removed.--SidiLemine 16:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Band size

the article states that her bandsize is 54. This seems incredibly unlikely (as band size is essentially rib cage size, and she seems slim); is it verifiable? -- Katwin (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes and no.  :-) I tried to look up that question, and found some sources and a Wikipedia article; see my changes. Yes, there is a source that said 54, there is also one that said 58, and in general brassiere measurements need to be taken with a serious grain of salt. --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 23:21, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

that's what I wondered as well - there are plenty of people around with F, G or even J cup breasts, and they are not as large as Lolo's. The number is the band size and it would not seem possible for her ribs to be 54" around! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.145.252.66 (talk) 14:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Exceptional claims need exceptional sources

I'll assumed good faith for the moment but there is some rather tabloidy content that should be sourced. Editors please start either directly adding sources inline text or posting links on the talk pages so others can research. Benjiboi 20:42, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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Eurotrash

I'd never even heard of her until she had a regular slot on Eurotrash. Should this link not be mentioned, perhaps? - Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.246.73 (talk) 22:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Cause of Death, Investigation of husband

In 2007, after a prolonged trial, Ferrari's husband, Eric Vigne, was cleared of wrongdoing in her death. Her death was attributed, by a forensic medical expert, to a combination of impaired breathing and her own very heavy pill regimen, with some evidence of suicidal or risky overdose. http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/le-mari-de-lolo-ferrari-innocente-20-02-2007-2007785345.php. Sussmanbern (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Real name

Why is there no mention of her real name in the article ? Searching for EXPURGATED redirects to this page but is not listed as her birth name.121.45.70.78 (talk) 04:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Because of, at the very least, WP:BLP.  Xihr  10:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Sadly, WP:BLP no longer applies. Epbr123 (talk) 14:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

It's already established that it applies to estates, so despite the L standing for the word living it still applies to recently dead people, since they may still have affairs to sort out. This is especially true in an article such as this one, where the subject of the article was murdered and there have been a long stream of insufficiently cited claims regarding the circumstances.  Xihr  08:12, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

So you hadn't just forgotten she'd died? ;) Epbr123 (talk) 14:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

No, I didn't.[1][2]  Xihr  22:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

A documentary film was made in the UK in 2005 about her life and death in which her real name is mentioned several times, including by her mother. If its acceptable to reveal in a film then why is it censored on wiki ? 121.45.149.132 (talk) 12:58, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not "censored." It just has to be cited with reliable, third-party sources. So far that hasn't been done, hence why the name is inappropriate to include here.  Xihr  17:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Then it doesn't really make sense its on this wiki page then does it? http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolo_Ferrari and IMBD's bio also showing Eve Valois. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0274097/bio also BBC mention it in an article from 9 years ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/667728.stm --Uksam88 (talk) 18:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Neither Wikis nor IMDb qualify as reliable sources. If you want to cite the BBC article, then by all means do -- remember that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth.  Xihr  00:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Her real name in entirety was Eve Geneviève Aline Vigne née Vallois (apparently with a double L); it can be seen on her death certificate in the documentary Dying to Be Beautiful. French Wikipedia cites this as a source (or more precisely the one mentioned on this page) for her name and birth date. As a matter of fact, this article uses it as a reference for her birth date, but – for whatever reaseon – not her name. --Anshelm '77 (talk) 19:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

And, of course, some fool changed her birthname in the infobox to "Joanna Martin." Huh? I fixed it. Most sources spell her surname as Valois. If anyone thinks that this incorrect, please switch it to Vallois. HillbillyProfane (talk) 16:19, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Guiness Book of Records

I happen to have a copy of the American Guiness Book of Records 1999 which includes Lolo Ferrari in it therefore the statement that she appeared in the 2003 American Guiness Book of Records should be replaced with "in the American Guinness Book of World Records in 1999", right?--64.252.71.107 (talk) 23:25, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

She may be mentioned in multiple years.  Xihr  10:17, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

US Guinness Book of World Records 2009

Apparently I was wrong before, as Maxi Mounds now holds the record for largest augemented (my spelling is crap) breasts with a bust size of 42M. Apparently, string implants are apparently considered to be in the same class as silicone/saline. Not to mention, Maxi Mounds had hers done long before string implants became illegal in my many parts of the world. Look it up, it's around pages 70-75 in the book. Surprisingly, Lolo has an honorable mention, though her record for largest breast implants has been broken, she still holds the record for most breast enlargements (22, the first one being done around 1990 and 5 years later.)

I DO believe her month and day of birth is February the 9th. But I believe that she was born before 1968. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.199.49 (talk) 16:35, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Psychological issues: BDD & more

I think - not only because someone who definitely suffered from the same psychic disease, Michael Jackson has followed her into heaven - that we should also name a reason why she felt the need to always enlarge her breasts more and more. Yes, there is a reason. It is a phenomenon well-accepted by the medecins and psychiatrists as Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), a mental problem of man which doesn't ever let him/her give the impression of having the perfect body; that is why he/she always had to undergo new surgical treatments in the (desperate) strive for perfection in body and looks. -andy 92.229.161.247 (talk) 14:36, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Year of birth (Revisited)

Now the great part of Wikipedias around the world have the birth year in as 1963. IMDB too: http://french.imdb.com/name/nm0274097/ Just English Wikipedia doesn't. Well OK then, so I went ahead and take a quick look at your French "neighbors", and it was found out that she appears in the birth register 414/1963' (probably of Clermont-Ferrand, dunno). Here's the page from "Les Gens du Cinéma": http://www.lesgensducinema.com/affiche_acteur.php?mots=lolo%20ferrari&nom_acteur=FERRARI%20Lolo&ident=14154&debut=0&record=0 -andy 92.229.161.247 (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

This is unbelievable, really! There is birthyear 1962 in the article and the reference [2] for cite. Then, when I click it and see there, there is the year 1963!!! Where on earth did the '1962' come from? Obviously not from the cited source... 82.141.73.133 (talk) 04:16, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Incorrectly listed as Pornography

The infobox had a section that often appears for people who appeared in pornography, "No. of Adult Films," and whoever added it listed "Camping Cosmos" in that section. "Campting Cosmos" was not a pornographic film. I have removed it. HillbillyProfane (talk) 16:24, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

1963 vs 1970

Everywhere in the article there is 1963 as birth year, but still she is in category "1970 births"! Should be changed, or what? 85.217.20.33 (talk) 13:02, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Merge Eric Vigne

No separate notability. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

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