Talk:Talmud

"Talmudic period" & "Mishnaic period": define!

The term "Talmudic period" redirects here, and it occurs in many articles, by itself or as part of the syntagm "Mishnaic and Talmudic periods", but unlike "Mishnaic period", which redirects to Tannaim where the timeframe is (although indirectly) indicated and sourced (c. 10-220 CE), the term "Talmudic period" isn't even mentioned on this page. The 2 distinct Talmuds plus the fact that they were compiled in different places from older oral traditions, make it paramount that an explicit definition including a timeframe is indicated, as "figuring it out" is not an option: The Jerusalem Talmud article speaks of it being compiled during the late 4th c. to the first half of the 5th c. and that it predates the Babylonian Talmud by about a century, while this article dates the Babylonian Talmud to the 3rd to 6th centuries. This creates fluid dates and an apparent contradiction - C5 is indeed 1 c. before C6, but C4-5 is not 1 c. before C3-6. Which is to be expected, linking together Wiki articles is not RS, is OR, and not to be done. So:

1. When does the Mishnaic period start and finish?
2. When does the Talmudic period start and finish?

It's not by chance that these are older and largely discarded terms used in early Israeli historiography and now replaced by "Roman period" and "Byzantine period", although those are also vague: the former starts with Pompey in 63 BCE, the latter ends in the 630s, but what the Middle Roman period is is hard to come by, and the start of the Byzantine period fluctuates from the 320s to the 380s, depending on school & author. Arminden (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

"Talmudic period" & "Mishnaic period": define!

The term "Talmudic period" redirects here, and it occurs in many articles, by itself or as part of the syntagm "Mishnaic and Talmudic periods", but unlike "Mishnaic period", which redirects to Tannaim where the timeframe is (although indirectly) indicated and sourced (c. 10-220 CE), the term "Talmudic period" isn't even mentioned on this page. The 2 distinct Talmuds plus the fact that they were compiled in different places from older oral traditions, make it paramount that an explicit definition including a timeframe is indicated, as "figuring it out" is not an option: The Jerusalem Talmud article speaks of it being compiled during the late 4th c. to the first half of the 5th c. and that it predates the Babylonian Talmud by about a century, while this article dates the Babylonian Talmud to the 3rd to 6th centuries. This creates fluid dates and an apparent contradiction - C5 is indeed 1 c. before C6, but C4-5 is not 1 c. before C3-6. Which is to be expected, linking together Wiki articles is not RS, is OR, and not to be done. So:

1. When does the Mishnaic period start and finish?
2. When does the Talmudic period start and finish?

It's not by chance that these are older and largely discarded terms used in early Israeli historiography and now replaced by "Roman period" and "Byzantine period", although those are also vague: the former starts with Pompey in 63 BCE, the latter ends in the 630s, but what the Middle Roman period is is hard to come by, and the start of the Byzantine period fluctuates from the 320s to the 380s, depending on school & author. Arminden (talk) 09:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

The two redirects were created by Agne27 and Ploni - maybe you can contribute? Thanks. Arminden (talk) 09:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Late revenge on Wiki for lost ME disputations? :)))

The article is about the Talmud. Tal-mud. And then:

• "before the birth of Christ"
• Before Christ (BC)
• Anno domini (AD)

Seriously? Is the Inquisition catching up with unfinished business - on Wikipedia? Or is this an attempt at subliminal humour? Wiki prohibits IQ jokes, so I'll hold back, and also requires me to presume good faith, which I can't, it's either or, both together is waaay to far out. Arminden (talk) 17:53, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Sir Joseph, hi. That's a good start, but look closer, there's more. And get ready for the reverts :) Arminden (talk) 19:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

​Don't forget the "opinions of thousands of rabbis (dating from before the birth of Christ". WHAT?!

Quick, before they wake up! :))) Arminden (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

If you woke up: what I mean is, there were no rabbis in the BCE centuries. Don't take my word for it, go & check. The same people who relate to "the birth of Christ" probably wrote this too. Arminden (talk) 22:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Lack of logic, lack of cause and effect relationship between historical facts, lack of sources or, all of the above

In the "Jerusalem Talmud" section there are these two sentences :

In 325 Constantine the Great, the first Christian emperor, wrote in a letter to the churches concerning the First Council of Nicaea,[13] that "let us then have nothing in common with the detestable Jewish crowd."[14] The compilers of the Jerusalem Talmud consequently lacked the time to produce a work of the quality they had intended.

The second sentence appears to describe the consequence of the situation described in the first sentence. We could resume or, shorten the logic of these two sentences as "The compilers of the Talmud in the IV century in Jerusalem did not have time to make it complete because emperor Constantine wrote to the churches united in Nicaea asking that the Christianity should not have anything in common with the Jews". My question is: really? seriously? The religious Jewish thinkers tasked with the compilation of Talmud produced an incomplete and partial and difficult to follow maximum opus, a main compilation of Jewish faith and laws because the Emperor wrote a letter to the Christian Church heads united in Nicaea urging them to not follow Jewish religious convictions? The author of these two sentences should review them and remove or give better explanation or, present a better proof linking the incompleteness of Jerusalem Talmud with the letter of Constantine. 174.94.111.33 (talk) 18:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)