Talk:Rope

Revising History - Maybe?

A little critical thinking on the section "The earliest evidence of true rope making...". Although this was repeated as fact many places after initial publication, you have to wonder. If the fibers were only discovered, and described, with the help of a microscope , what kind of optics did the Neanderthals use to make the rope? More here: but I hesitate to make the edits on this and the Hohle Fels section, because of my affiliation with the bkeithropemaker site. Cheers Keithba (talk) 18:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

References

Endless Loop

At the beginning of the rope article, we are told that rope is a 'linear collection of yarns'; the yarn article tells us that yarn is a 'continuous length of interlocking fibers', and the article for fibers tells us that Fiber is a rope. Without outside knowledge we can't actually find out what any of them are. 5.68.170.13 (talk) 19:06, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Punitive uses of Rope

I don't think this section is appropriate for this article. There are no other sections of this article devoted to other uses of rope, so why should there be a section on punitive uses? There are too many specific uses of rope to discuss each in this detail. I preserved a link to flogging and added some material from here to that article. --John.james 22:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Attribution of authorship

The section on "How to handle rope" was originally written by User:210.48.17.238. It was merged into Rope from How to handle rope by Evil saltine. Just to let you know. -- Oliver P. 06:51, 8 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Cordage

This article is correct as far as it goes, but would be better titled by the more inclusive term cordage, which includes similar stranded objects such as twine, string, and thread. Or, perhaps, another article titled cordage should be produced. Too Old 00:23, 2005 Feb 12 (UTC)

Hawser

A hawser is a rope used for nautical purposes, specifically for mooring lines, regardless of thickness.

Request

I came here hoping to find a lead on what strength ratings are used to grade ropes - anyone got some material on that they could add? User:Adhib

I'm planning to bring this article up to FA or at least GA status, and the materials I have accumulated so far include some information on that. Check back in the next few weeks. Mstroeck 16:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

Some of the work in the "History" section seems to have been plagiarized; mainly the middle ages portion. The work in the wikipedia article is higly reminiscent to the work found on this website www.rope-maker.com(see third paragraph), which is well referenced by the way while the work here isn't. — Dorvaq (talk) 14:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Dennis the Menace

Someone keeps posting some trash information about the Dennis the Menace 1993 movie. Could this user be banned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Razwww (talk • contribs) 10:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

handling

Some topics that might be worth including:

• Effects of moisture, sunlight, and abrasion on aging of different rope materials.
• How construction type affects coiling, alternatives to coiling for non-laid constructions.
• Safety factors in use.
• Effects of bending radius on strength.
• Effects of rope materials on knot holding.
• Factors besides tensile strength that affect suitability for various applications. (This may be a new topic.)

--AJim (talk) 07:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I've been searching for "climbing ropes" but nothing came out. I would like to insert the informations listed below, as I consider them vital for the article. I also think this article should expand its definition and technical properties for climbing ropes as well. If not on this particular section, open/ start a new one. Things like: Type: single, half or twin (in other words) the usage of a rope during an ascent could be classified as single/ half/ twin. Single Rope: for use singly as a link in the safety chain Half Rope: for use with another rope of the same type in a half rope system. Half rope should never be used alone. Twin Rope for use in pair or parallel withing a twin system. Twin ropes should never be used alone.

The UUIA Falls: how many times a climbing rope can take a fall on a 90 degree edge before failing. Impact Force of a climbing rope: what is load impact before the rope snaps. Static Elongation: how much a climbing rope stretches when an object (a climber) is hanging from it mid-air. Dynamic Elongation: how much a climbing rope stretches when an obect (a climber) falls. Sheaths Slippage: how much movement there is between the inner core of the rope and its outer sheets. Weight (gr/m): based of thickness of the rope, how much it weights per meter/ or feet. Certified UIAA Certified CE Those are only few points I think are important to incorporate into "climbing ropes." I will do more research and contact the companies in the business for more insights on climbing ropes. --JDMIZED (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Compressive Strength?!

is it really necessary to explain the difference in compressive and tensile strength in the initial definition? Obviously you can't use rope to push!(Jschager (talk) 22:26, 10 March 2009 (UTC))

Ha, reading through the page I removed that bit. -Roxy, the Prod. wooF 19:27, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Later history

THe history section stops too early. I came here looking for information on the later history. When did synthetic fibers start being used? When was kermantle rope invented? How did it develop and for what uses? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:30A:C08C:A6F0:21C:B3FF:FEC3:2572 (talk) 20:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit reverted on July 3rd

This edit was clearly not vandalism, hemp is indeed quite dank. --162.223.180.62 (talk) 23:55, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Measurement of rope

Something on rope size measurement is needed - diameter and circumference, where each is used. · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 19:38, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 October 2018

^14 is self-promotion it has nothing to do with the content and offers no relevance. 71.213.214.117 (talk) 19:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

 Done Agreed, removed. Thank you. Fish+Karate 13:06, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2018

Hi. Number 18 under the 'References' section with the name 'Bairstow "Rope & Fiber Comparison Guide' links to a blank page. Change to the following rope and fibre comparison table - https://www.buyrope.co.uk/rope-comparison-guide.pdf Summertime997 (talk) 11:20, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done, had a look at the archive of the original link and this appears to be the same PDF. Replaced. Greyjoy ^talk 11:29, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 December 2019

Different type of lines with specification, use etc. used in fire service.

Sr No	Name of the line	Make	Length	Diameter	Use
1	Rescue Line	Polyester/Hawser- laid	70 mtr.	16 mm	Used for rescue work with T.T.L.
2	Lowering Line	3 strand hawser-laid or plainted or polyester	40  mtr.	16 mm	Use for different rescue work
3	Long line	3 strand hawser-laid or plainted or polyester	30 mtr.	16 mm	Used for hauling up equipment, securing hose line,
4	Short Line	Same as long line	15 mtr	16 mm	Used for securing suction, scaling ladder, hauling up lowering down items of equipment.
5	Guy Line	8 plait staple polyester rope	40 mtr	6 mm	Used in conjuction with lowering line.
6	Tail line or escape line	3 strand hawser-laid or polyester	6 mtr.	12mm	For securing the first floor ladder when used as an extension piece, securing the head of extension ladder
7	Bobbin line or pouch line	Cotton cord	40 mtr.	900 gms.	Used for hauling aloft light gears or a heavier line etc.
8	Belt Line	Italian Hemp	3.5 mtr.		Used for small lashing made up in a blood knot
9	Personal Line	Polyester	6 mtr	4 mm	Used in conjunction with B.A. set, fitted with a swivel type snap hook for searching purpose  
10	Guid Line	Plaited Construction	60 mtr.	6 to 8 mm	Used in conjunction with B.A. set operations

Sagar101gurav (talk) 10:35, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

That seems more like a manual than encyclopedic content, may also be too specific to fire fighting. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:23, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Rope making device

Can a confirmed user either enter the text below or something similar in the history section. Thanks - In 2020 a twenty centimetre long forty thousand year old mammoth tusk with a line of four holes drilled into it was interpreted as being a device for making rope. Grooves around each hole would have held plant fibres in place. The instrument was found near the base of the Aurignacian deposits at Hohle Fels by a team led by Nicholas Conard of the institute of archaeological sciences at the University of Tübingen. Veerle Rots, of the University of Liège in Belgium was able to make four twisted strands of twine, using a bronze replica of the Hohle Fels cave device, an example of Experimental archaeology. A similar 15,000 years old device, made of reindeer antler, was found in Gough's Cave in Cheddar Gorge, Somerset and at many other sites. The existance of these tools a different locations indicates rope-making had already become an important human activity by the Upper Paleolithic. Chris Stringer Research Leader in Human Origins at the Natural History Museum said, “These devices were called batons and were originally thought to have been carried by chiefs as badges of rank. However, they had holes with spirals round them and we now realise they must have been used to make or manipulate ropes.” The ropes could then have been used to construct fishing nets, snares and traps, bows and arrows, clothing and containers for carrying food. Heavy objects, such as sleds, could now be hauled on ropes while spear points could be lashed to poles.2A00:23C6:3B82:8500:9CCF:6C69:57F0:3C7 (talk) 11:10, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2020

The article reads 'The earliest evidence of true rope making is a very small fragment of three-ply cord from a Neanderthal site dated 40,000 years ago.' The page cited has the date as 50,000 years ago. See https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52267383 Can a confirmed user please change the date. Thanks. 2A00:23C6:3B82:8500:DCD1:4DF2:E2E0:3587 (talk) 13:48, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

 Done · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 03:47, 7 December 2020 (UTC)