Talk:Trey Spruance

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Was this written by Trey Spruance or his mother?

Very bias. Shouldn't be here. 

    Shouldn't something at least be put here instead of leaving it blank?
    Even just a stub notification...

I rewrote this entire page, please indicate bias and have the balls to leave your name please - kenscanna

Rumors of reunion[edit]

I reverted a change by an anonymous user. Although I've heard more rumors about Faith No More and Mr. Bungle reunions than I can count, not all of them were just from optimistic fans. Even core members can't seem to decide; in the interviews I've read, Spruance, Mike Patton, and Trevor Dunn all usually say something along the lines of "I don't think it'll happen, but we're not officially broken up" and things like that. (I think Spruance's perspective is that he would be open to the idea, but only if the band's management situation changed.)

But - if identifying the exact official status of every band on the list is a problem for reasons of Verifiability, we could just remove that aspect of the list. Matheson 23:20, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have just reverted, for the third time, an edit regarding Mr. Bungle's alleged "OFFICIAL" status. I initially removed all mentions of reunion and status rumors on grounds of verifiability, but the anonymous user who originally made the change keeps changing it back, and refuses to defend or even discuss the edit. I feel that leaving off the information is better, but see above for more discussion on the subject. Matheson 00:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Controvery[edit]

Please explain why King for a Day was a 'controversial' release for Faith no More...removing this until proof displayed Kenscanna

use of the word "underground"[edit]

Is that really the correct word to describe Mike Patton, Trevor Dunn and John Zorn? Zorn, yes, advant-garde, but huge in his circle, Dunn, the same, Patton, well, he speaks for himself. What constitutes something "underground"? MTV doesn't acknoledge it? I don't know, I could be over analyzing this

Ancestry topic[edit]

Original information came from (William) Halsey Spruance Jr., Admiral Halsey's great-grandson and therefore a cousin of Trey Spruance. The reference from "Time" Magazine quotes the Admiral's daughter Margaret (Mrs. Preston Lea Spruance, Trey's grandmother) that she is a distant relative of Admiral Spruance, therefore her descendants are also. The Binghamton news article shows the admiral with his daughter Mrs. Preston Lea Spruance and his grandson Preston Lea Spruance Jr. I think the inference that Preston Lea Spruance III is the son of Preston Lea Spruance Jr. and therefore the great-grandson of Admiral Halsey is not too great a leap. However I can provide Admiral Halsey's complete family tree if you like, or possibly put you in contact with Trey's cousins Halsey Spruance Jr. or Ret Talbot. I can even give you my e-mail address and we can continue the discussion in that manner.  :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.107.239.233 (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:NOR, "Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought". This includes synthesis material, "material [combined] from multiple sources to reach a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources". None of these sources explicitly state that Trey Spruance is related to either person. You're probably correct, but Wikipedia is based on verifiability, not truth. I'll revert it until proper references can be found. Wyatt Riot (talk) 19:51, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Time Magazine explicitly states that Mrs. Preston Lea Spruance Sr. is a distant cousin (by marriage) of Admiral Spruance. Hence Mr. Preston Lea Spruance Sr. is a distant cousin (by blood) of Admiral Spruance. Hence any descendant of Preston Lea Spruance Sr. is a (more) distant cousin (by blood) of Admiral Spruance. I hardly think it's "original research" that Preston Lea Spruance III is the son of Preston Lea Spruance Jr., hence related to both Admirals (e.g., Trey himself is well aware of it), but you seem determined for some reason to keep this information out of the article, and you seem to have plenty of time available to undo changes. So, to paraphrase another naval officer, I give up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.107.239.233 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 29 July 2009

Although it may be correct, your analysis of Trey's ancestry does seem to constitute original research. Furthermore, in my opinion it's not important enough, even if true, to include in the article. The Incident (talk) 17:02, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "research" may be original to you and me, but it's certainly not original to the Halsey family. If I tried to publish it as original research I would be laughed out of the editor's office.
With all due respect, who are you to decide what is or is not important enough to include in a Wikipedia article? The whole point of the concept of user-generated reference material is that...duh...the users contribute what they would like to see included and, if not false or libelous, it's included.
Is music the only important thing about Trey Spruance? I don't think so, and while you are certainly entitled to your opinion in that regard, I don't see you having the exclusive say in the matter. Hey, at least it's important enough to include in the Discussion tab.  :-)
BTW what is the "The Incident" link? It seems to "404." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.69.157.128 (talk) 19:35, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course my opinion is not any more important than anybody else's, however, I thought it would be polite to present it as such rather than as a statement of fact.
The policy on "people who are relatively unknown," WP:NPF, states: "exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability." Again, in my opinion, this ancestry information should be excluded from the article.
"The Incident" is my username, and when I sign comments Wikipedia automatically creates a link to my userpage, which is currently blank. The Incident (talk) 02:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Of course my opinion is not any more important than anybody else's, however, I thought it would be polite to present it as such rather than as a statement of fact." Good idea, because it's a statement of opinion, not of fact. A person's notability can be due to accomplishments, ancestry, or any number of things. Listing Barack Obama's ancestry wouldn't make much sense because his ancestors weren't well known, his notability is all on his own. Listing Trey Spruance's ancestry is sensible because his ancestors were well known. I.e., he is notable for two things--his own accomplishments and his famous ancestor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.227.200 (talk) 03:13, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply] 

                               Halsey Family Tree
  

                    William F. Halsey, Jr.=Frances Cooke (Fan) Grandy 

                     10/30/82-8/20/59     |   1887-1968 

                                          | 

         ------------------------------------------------     

         |                                              |  

         |                                              |  

  William F. Halsey III     (1)Preston Lea=Margaret Bradford Halsey=(2) John H. Fulweiler

     (Bill) 1915-2003            Spruance  |      b. 10/10/1910    |  d. before 1981

 =(1) Maryjane, (2) Helga       1912-1998  |      d. before 1981   |     

           |                               |                       |  

  ----------------------------             |             John P. & Peter Fulweiler

  |        |                 |             |              (Adopted/stepchildren?)

  |        |                 |             |     

 Jane    Anne Halsey    Heidi Cooke        |  

Halsey    Smith           Halsey           | 

                                           |    

                                           |    

    --------------------------------------------------------------

    |                     |                |                     | 

    |                     |                |                     | 

P. L. Spruance II      Margaret      William Halsey     Alice Lea=Richmond De 

   b. 10/14/33         Spruance         Spruance         Spruance|Puyster (Bud)

 =Nancy Hockett        Dunham           b. 1939          (Missy) |  Talbot  

       |               b. 1936             |              Talbot |b. 7/28/41  

P. L. Spruance III                         |             b. after|     

  (Trey) b. 1969          -------------------------       1944?  |  

                          |                       |          ---------------- 

                          |                       |          |              |  

   William Halsey Spruance Jr. (b. 1963)   Jake Spruance   R. De P.   Margaret Halsey 

    =Samantha McLean (b. 1966)                           Talbot Jr.   ("Tory"?)Talbot  

                                                     ("Ret") b. 6/1/70   b. 5/3/77 

  

      Lea Spruance Beard--  

      Probably Trey's older sister
  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.180.227.200 (talk) 03:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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