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Track listing[edit]

Well, the track listing agrees with the copy on my shelf - so what is the dispute about? Morwen 19:49, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It was probably created by User:Michael. But I don't see anything wrong with the accuracy either (neither the date nor the track listing). Adam Bishop 19:50, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Well, I've rewritten it now anyway.... Morwen 19:59, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

So which of you corkytards posts on kr, and more importantly under what name?--Mongreilf 18:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation Page?[edit]

I just added Celebrity Skin (band), and that makes 3 other uses of the term. I personally think this calls for a disambiguation page, but I don't know how to make one properly. So, I'll just be lazy and note it here. :) Eaglizard 23:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Article requirements:

Green tickY Start: reasonably complete infobox; lead section with overview of album; track listing; reference to at least primary personnel by name; Categorization by at least artist and year.
Green tickY C: all of start and (1) cover art in infobox; (2) at least one additional section of prose; (3) track lengths & song authors in tracklist; (4) a personnel section including all musicians.

→Article needs organization according to WP:ALBUM, with the article body before the track listing and personnel sections. (Technically, it required a "Personnel" section to meet C class criteria.) It would benefit from additional information per the suggestions at WP:ALBUM. The article's lead does not summarize the article, as set out at WP:LEAD.

Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Assessment for additional information on article class. To request a reassessment from the Album project, when concerns are addressed, please see "requesting an assessment". --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:14, 27 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 21:21, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Infobox[edit]

  • Add alt
  • Recorded: add the coclusion date (February 1998) to the body of the article with a source
  • Remove the source for the genres, they are already stated below and AllMusic is no good for that
  • The single release date with a source should be add to the newly formated sectin called "Singles" (see below)

 Done

Lead[edit]

  • released worldwide → remove worldwide
  • and one day later in the United States on DGC Records. → not anywhere else in the article
  • It was the last album released by the band before their dissolution in 2002 → same as previous
  • Remove the source from the lead, is already in the compostion
  • platinum in Australia, Canada and the United States → two times platinum in Australia, riaa certiciation only for the states.
  • and the album was listed → and it was listed
  • number of publications' year-end lists in 1998 → give two/three examples
  • Add peak the Australian, US and Canadian peak positions on the charts
  • Add to the body of the article "It was the last album released by the band before their dissolution in 2002.[2]", as well

 Done

Background[edit]

  • The People vs. Larry Flynt → add year between brackets
  • Rodney & the Tube Tops → same as previous
  • Schoolhouse Rock! Rocks → same as previous
  • "Awful", Dying" and "Hit So Hard" → same as previous
  • At the time, → be more specific, add a date

 Done

Recording[edit]

  • Fine

Drum tracks[edit]

  • Though she receives → Despite receiving

 Done

Music and arrangements[edit]

  • Fine

Lyrics and themes[edit]

  • Fine

Artwork[edit]

  • were in real → if you mean they actually happened and were not add afterwards then this is not the vocabulary
  • it became windy and the tree toppled over → the wind led the tree to topple over

 Done

Release[edit]

  • order on August 3 → year?
  • worldwide → in various countries (no album can be released worldwide)

 Done

Critical response[edit]

  • Change the name to Critical Reception
  • reviews in 1998 → reviews from music critics + wikilink music critics to musi journalism
  • James Junter from Rolling Stone
  • number 9 → number nine
  • USA Today, The Guardian reviews need to be added as well

 Done

  • Create a subsection of accolades where you will add the grammy nommination and best lists. Let's try to do this in prose, instead of the "box"
  • Don't forget to remove USA Today

Commercial performance[edit]

  • in 13 countries worldwide → in various countries
  • Gold by the RIAA → gold by the Recording Indsutry Association of America (RIAA) + wikilink
  • Use the source on the certifications table, no need for a diferent one, do the same for the Canadian and Australian certification + source in the end of the sentence
  • As of 2010, the album has sold nearly 2 million copies worldwide → should be the last setence on the paragraph.
  • and 124,221 copies in the United Kingdom → The record sold 124,221 copies in the United Kingdom + UK peak
  • Platinum in Canada → platinum by Music Canada (MC) + wikilink + peak on the chart
  • Platinum in Australia → platinum by the Australian Recording Industry Association (ARIA) + wikilink + peak on the chart
  • Add Swiss, Sweeden ans Austria peaks
  • Add New Zealand peak and its certication
  • The album received three nominations at the 41st Grammy Awards in 1999:[61] Best Rock Album, Best Rock Song, and Best Rock Vocal Performance by a Duo or Group. → The album received a nomination for Best Rock Album at the 41st Grammy Awards in 1999.
  • The title track (wikilink) received a nomations for Best Rock Song and Best Rock Vocal Performance by a Duo or Group. → Singles section (see below on Singles) along with Malibu
  • New comment I added a reference the way you should to the Australian and US certication do the same for the others.

 Done

  • New comment As of 2010, the album has sold nearly 2 million copies worldwide. → source

Legacy[edit]

  • Move this into the Critical response section.

 Done

Track listing[edit]

  • All lyrics are written by Courtney Love. → source?
  • Tracks written by Courtney Love and produced by Michael Beinhorn, excepted where noted → new sentence

 Done

Personnel[edit]

  • Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is the right space between the personnel and the credits
  • Why is there nly one source for the Technical? The others don't come from anywhere?

 Done

Album[edit]

 Done

Singles[edit]

  • Remove, the singles have their own article and you can have a brief summary above with the peaks postions and awars for them, a subsction called "Singles", instead of having the awards on the commercial performance of the album.

 Done

Certifications[edit]

  • Fine

Notes[edit]

  • Not sure the first note is relevant. Is there any connection? Its seems random.

 Done

References[edit]

  • AllMusic, MTV, BMI Foundation, CNN, Amazon.com → publisher
  • AllMusic, BBC, the label, Stereogum, Spin, Noise (to vice), MTV, CNN, E! → wikilink only once on the first appearance
  • Either add publisher to all the source or remove from the ones that have work already
  • The German char source is dead (see below first, it will be automaticated fixed), along with the others
  • Magazine Online → remove the "online"
  • Add acessdate to reference 26, 44, 49
  • Reference 27, 30, 32, 52 are missing author
  • Don't SHOUT on references (see 58)

 Done

Sources[edit]

  • Fine

Further reading[edit]

  • Fine

External links[edit]

  • Fine

Overall[edit]

  • There are three copyright vilations, you need to fix them. See here 1.
  • Create a Production and composition section, the respective subsections should be Recording and Music and arrangements. Merge the release and artwork section, title should "Release and artwork".
  • You can address the issues. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioSoulTruthFan: I have made a number of edits addressing your review points above. I believe I've hit most all of them, save a few that I've run into trouble with, either logistically, or because I'm unclear on the suggestion. The first is the suggestion to add years in parentheses behind "Awful", Dying" and "Hit So Hard" in the recording section—I understand doing this for albums and films (r.e. your comment on Larry Flynt and Schoolhouse Rock), but for individual songs, this seems confusing to me (and I've never seen it done before on other music articles)—moreover, I don't know what year to note—given the album was released in 1998, I would theoretically be putting "(1998)" behind them all, which seems redundant.
Awful was what I meant at the time, I thought the others were singles. Just if they are singles, otherwise it is pointeless. I add it for you. That's not the idea, what I meant was when she affirmed that? The album was recorded from 1996 ntil 1998 so at some point she said that. All the quotes and everyhting else weren't said only in 1998, right?

 Done

As far as the commercial performance is concerned, I've converted this into a table format alone, as repeating what's in the table in prose immediately above it seems like a waste of text and space.
There was no need for a table.
In the Track listing section, you suggested I add "Tracks written by Courtney Love and produced by Michael Beinhorn, excepted where noted," but I am not sure about this as the tracks were not written solely by Love—the lyrics were, but the music was a collaboration between her, her bandmates, and several guest musicians.
Ok, I understad, reprashing "Lyrics written by Courtney Love and produced by Michael Beinhorn, excepted where noted", better?

 Done

One last issue I ran up against was finding the text of the Edna Gundersen review from USA Today—this source was included in the critical reception table long before I had ever done substantial work to the article, and I've been unable to find a URL version or any way to access it. I am not sure if the source should simply be removed or not, but in any event, I cannot include any commentary from it in the critical reception section as I am unable to access it.
I see, the only sugestion I have is removed it.

 Done

As far as source go, I added authors and access dates to those you point out, and attempted to remove redundant linking of periodicals, as well as excising publishers (it seems simpler to keep it at the level of journal/work/website, especially given only a handful of the sources had publishers included). Your note about "SHOUT"ing a reference was also unclear to me—not sure what this means exactly—but in any event, I was able to find an archived URL for that source, which is from Music Week originally (I've appropriately attributed it to MW, via HighBeam). I looked at the copyright violation tool and noticed the two biggest offenders are both the same source (one the live URL, the other the archived one); the issue there seems to be the quote from Erlandson in Rolling Stone which is in the quote box. I suppose I could prune the quote and re-run the copyvio tool to see what it say, though it may be difficult to cut down without also removing the context that makes the quote work. Let me know what you think of this. The other main one is the Noisey source, but the copyvio is from one sentence of quoted material from Auf der Maur, commenting on the recording sessions.
It is indeed. I meant in "CAPS" with the shouting. Well done. Try to do that, even add your own words in between if necessary.

 Done there is still the copyright violation issue with two different RS source and Noisey reference.

In any event, I think I've covered most of the bases in your review, aside from the things I've brought up above that I need some further clarification on. Thank you much for taking the time to review this, and let me know what else I can do. --Drown Soda (talk) 23:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Drown Soda: I will add small stuff to the article that was either missing or soemthing in that vein. You keep working, I brought some issues up on ther sections as well, it will be easy to find. I also created the singles section, add the peaks of the songs, certificatios if they had and acollades to that section. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Drown Soda: When you address the rest of the issues, please let me know...I added new stuff. By the way, you have to do the certifications simmilar to what I did with the Australian one, just see my edit and I'm sure you will get the hang of it. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:16, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioSoulTruthFan: I looked over the outstanding issues marked with the "X", and I think they've all been addressed—I converted the chart table to the template version, de-linked the repeat source links in references, as well as converted some of the leftover "work" entries to "publisher". --Drown Soda (talk) 23:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Drown Soda: I left new comments and instances you have not address some comments. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioSoulTruthFan: I just relocated the sentence about it being the band's last release prior to their 2002 dissolution into the release section, and added the "produced by Michael Beinhorn" above the track listing. I also added the aforementioned chart positions to the lead, and cited the certifications in the commercial performance section. The last thing I'm running into issue with is what the copyvio tool is spitting back. It is claiming around 50% vio for the Rolling Stone quote from Erlandson, and one quote from Melissa Auf der Maur from the Noisey source. I've tried to prune them down but beyond that don't know what I can do. There are no other serious violation problems per the tool's analysis. If the material it is picking up on as potential violation is in quotation marks with the appropriate source (and so long as it is not extensive), is this still an issue? --Drown Soda (talk) 21:34, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Drown Soda: I will take a look at it and try to help you. In the meantime I added some stuff to the singles regarding their peaks, the highest should always been mentioned you need to complete and add sources to them. Quite simple. If you see now, I reworded some sutff on the Noisey interview and remove some bias stuff and some nonimportat as well, it's much lower now.It's a skim pass, but a pass nontheless. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Drown Soda: Are you still up for this? Only the copyright violations and we are done. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 19:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@MarioSoulTruthFan: Yes, sorry, I mistakenly was waiting for a response here. I just removed the quote box which I think is the source of the copyvio issue. I ran it through Earwig's Copyvio Detector again and the Rolling Stone source is now at 42.9%. When I scanned through the apparent copyvios and compared the two, they really are just incidental—it's picking up certain basic phrases or titles that happen to be in both the Wiki article and the Rolling Stone piece, but aren't really what I'd deem copyright violations (i.e. "bassist Melissa Auf der Maur", "The People Vs. Larry Flynt", etc.) --Drown Soda (talk) 20:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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