Talk:Salad

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Potato Salad in England before the Columbian Exchange[edit]

Granted, my deletion of the text copied from another site represents OR--I myself am putting 2 + 2 = 4, so my fact is true if unverifiable. Is that allowed? Probably here it is since there is no left-wing ideology on potato salad. Yet.

Here's the equation:

2 --King Henry IV of England ruled from 1399 to 1413.

+2 --Potatoes were unknown in England until 1600, or possibly in the last decades of the 16th century.

___ --Therefore, Henry IV couldn't have eaten potato salad.

By the way, this story is widely spread across the internet, so I guess it must be true. ;) Yopienso (talk) 00:55, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No doubt this false attribution is due to a extremist right-wing Republican attempt to diminish French culture. If there is any truth to this story then the king in question was most likely Henry IV of France. (Of course, the tale could also be complete nonsense.). Manning (talk) 03:11, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Dressing of Salad" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dressing of Salad. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Salad's Sauce" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Salad's Sauce. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 19:34, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of salad[edit]

From what I've been able to tell from my research, ever since salads became a concept, way back in ancient Rome, they have been made from vegetables, salt (which is what the name originates from), and possibly dressings of oil and/or vinegar. The trend of calling dishes made from other ingredients (such as pasta, bread, cheese or meat) salads is mostly a United States and 20th century phenomenon (with the occasional local exception, such as Niçoise, which has anchovies in addition to vegetables, and panzanella, which has pieces of bread in addition to vegetables). The article "What is a salad – and why are the British so precious about it?" from the Financial Times is somewhat illuminating (you can get to it from a google search, otherwise it seems to be behind a paywall).

I am hesitant to edit this article, though, because I didn't find any authoritative sources. So, I encourage anyone with better sources for this part of history to step in and make the necessary changes in the article, so that it's not so US-centric any more. Silver hr (talk) 18:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That all seems to be covered in the article already, so I'm not too sure of the point you are making. -Roxy, the PROD. . wooF 19:03, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The point I'm making is that the lead sentence says "A salad is a dish consisting of mixed pieces of food", which is a US-centric definition according to which pieces of chicken mixed with pieces of bread constitute a salad, while much or most of the world considers salads to be made of vegetables. So, I am asking editors who have reliable sources to change the article to reflect the worldwide view of what a salad is. Silver hr (talk) 18:12, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I do have a german cookbook fom 18 something, and there are different salads described. Including none-vegetable salads. So, no, it is not USA of the 20th century and we do not consider a salad something vegetable. Here is a picture of an advertising, around 1905 about an "ox mouth salad" https://nuernberginfos.de/nuernberger-spezialitaeten/ochsenmaulsalat/ochsenmaulsalat.php It was very famous then. And I bet, It was famous before 1900, too. 2A02:810D:8800:3E31:3C77:7FCB:C715:8A61 (talk) 19:57, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Following the link you can find an ox mouth salad recipe from 1726: https://nuernberginfos.de/nuernberger-spezialitaeten/ochsenmaulsalat.php. That is way before the 20th century. I belive, the irritational though, a salad is something which is possible only of vegetables is an uneducated guess starting the very late 20th century. 2A02:810D:8800:3E31:3C77:7FCB:C715:8A61 (talk) 20:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One raw ingredient?[edit]

Does anyone have a source for the claim that raw ingredients are a requirement in a salad? Duckduckgoop (talk) 04:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If there is one, some salads should be removed from this page. 69.196.162.154 (talk) 23:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's also the complicating issue of just what is 'raw', for example some salads have ingredients which are just tossed in hot oil to make them warm, rather than being properly cooked. Sbishop (talk) 08:31, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]