Talk:Andromeda (TV series)

Controversy over Departure

This last paragraph: "Indeed the series did become increasingly Hunt-centric after Wolfe's departure. By Season 4 episodes consisted of an almost deified Hunt saving the day with little help from anyone apart from Trance, who looks at him with increasingly doting eyes. Rommie, the avatar, has her personality reduced by all her interactions with 'organics' rather than, as common sense would have it, increased; she becomes, essentially, a Deus ex Machina android shield for getting round badly thought out action scenes, she also is a main lead for the pseudo-scientific exposition common to the genre. Harper, the engineering genius, has his role limited to a goofy geek with no sex appeal who constantly fails socially and becomes a one dimensional comic relief, all despite the fact that the character has been a major factor in the forming of the commonwealth, and saved millions of peoples lives. On this last part none of the crew, except Hunt, gets any benefit by being part of the commonwealth revival movement and seem to be almost anonymous to the outside world, except to the occasional Neitschien. Tyr was eventually reduced to a two dimensional caricature of his original self instead of the multi-dimensional enigma which added to the depth of the plot lines. The departure of Tyr, whose looks counterbalanced Hunts, made the series appear to be nothing more than an ego trip for executive producer and lead actor Sorbo and it became clear that, although a good producer, Sorbo only had the talent to play 1 part, that of Demi-god Hercules surrounded by beautiful hand maidens. Once again a good writer who was trying to put depth into his characters and a third dimension to the story lines was ousted by cardboard cut outs intent on, erroneously, portraying the so called alpha male as tall strong and USMC like. The worlds richest and most powerful men are almost all plain looking geeks! However the action scenes are plentiful and visually the SFX and CGI work very well. The make-up and wardrobe are excellent."

This is all pretty much conjecture and opinion, and it doesn't seem to fit very well with the format of an encyclopedia article. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.36.234 (talk) 00:22, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, why wasn't this removed already? Even if you agree on said words (and I actually do) there is still absolutely NO reason to slip personal bull into a supposedly informative article. Had the person in question sead something along those lines, please quote and link sead quote - don't paraphrase something taken completely out of contex and then spined with your biased opinion. (whit which I actually agree for a degree, still take it to a fan forum) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.105.31.197 (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

David Winning

I have removed the bit about it being "directed by David Winning". That info was inserted by an anonymous editor on 4 Mar 2003 -- my DVD copies show the first episode was directed by Allan Kroeker, and other episodes are directed by other people. Just goes to show that misinformation can lie about on Wikipedia for more than a year! Arwel 14:56, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

User:Kian : IMDB says David Winning directed quite a few episodes : Episodes 8, 11, 16 from season 1, episodes 3 and 5 from season 2, episodes 10 of season 4 and episode 6 of season 5.

I have removed the link to David Winning's web site. His site is not specifically about Andromeda, and he's only one of many creative people involved with the series. Avt tor 16:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Article move (2004)

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Andromeda (TV series) → Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda

• The actual name of the series is "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda". Any user looking for the television series isn't necessarily going to know that they should qualify their search with a "(TV series)" disambiguation. Therefore it is only natural that we use the actual title of the series. —Mike 04:58, Dec 5, 2004 (UTC)
• Sounds good. Keep the old one as a redirect to it. 132.205.64.202 05:53, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)
• Don't move - The more common name is "Andromeda" (IMDB, TV Tome, TV Guide). Anyone looking for this in a category or other alphabetic list would be looking under "A". Existing redirects are in place, and will work fine. -- Netoholic @ 06:25, 2004 Dec 6 (UTC)
• Support move, since we have to disambiguate we might as well use the offical name. - SimonP 06:08, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
• I'm pursuaded by Netoholic's argument on this one. Don't move. - Jonathunder 00:31, 2004 Dec 10 (UTC)
• Object agree with Netoholic. I don't think that name is very common. --- Aqua 06:50, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)
• Object for reasons already mentioned plus the fact that the official website's URL is AndromedaTV.com which will make people more likely search for "Andromeda TV" KiaN 14:03, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
• Object. Redirect is sufficient; besides there's *nobody else's* Andromeda other than Gene Roddenberry... User:Mashford 66.82.9.91 21:57, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
• Don't move. Like was previously stated the name is Andromeda.--Tjkphilosofe 12:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
• Don't move -- If the name being commonly used is just "Andromeda", then this article should stay where it is. -- Sy / ^(talk) 12:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
• Support as it fits Wikipedia's naming guidelines much better. --GracieLizzie 09:31, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
  • This is an ancient move request.. hehe.. perhaps we should start a new one? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
• Support I agree it is logical to use, or aspire to use, the proper name for something.161.73.37.81 16:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
• Support It's the show's full name. -- Gordon Ecker 04:58, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

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The Year

All the dates on the show are in CY (Commonwealth Year) what is the date in C.E. (Common Era) or A.D. --Brown Shoes22 16:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

The timeline lists the publication of the final volume of Thus Spake Zarathustra as taking place in 6811 CY, however I'm not sure if there were any statements on the relative length of Vedran / Systems Commonwealth years and Earth years. -- Gordon Ecker 05:31, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Mostly rewrote this article

This article contained very little useful content and was badly formatted. I took the liberty of rewriting most of the article, but I'm not a native English speaker. Could someone check my edits for spelling mistakes?

Other Andromeda-related pages are even worse, I'll probably get to them later. Skroderider 20:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Yea, I've currently been going thru some of the Andromeda pages, I'll have a better read over your changes soon and see if i see any typos but youve done a pretty good job :) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:40, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

sadly this article is still of such poor quality who ever wrote this had pathetic three year level you'd be better off just deleting it's so god damn pathetic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.100.160 (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Andromeda/Rommie

Does Andromeda the AI needs a separate mention (and article) from Rommie? I'm not quite certain on this issue. IMHO Andromeda is a completely separate personality and deserves its own article, but OTOH even the show credits make no such distinction. Skroderider 13:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Show credits would not make a distinction. Series plots, scripts, producer comments, DVD notes, etc. all indicate two very distinct characters: Rommie the droid who walks around, and Andromeda the ship that flies around. In fact, episodes sometimes show three Andromeda: droid-Rommie, holographic-Andromeda, and ship/display screen-Andromeda, though I don't think the latter two are fully distinct personalities. Droid-Rommie has even been in conflict with ship-Andromeda in at least one episode, probably more. In the show universe they are two different characters, very clearly from at least season three on.Avt tor 20:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Initially Rommie's personality seemed to be a carbon copy of Andromeda (at least in terms of imperatives and prerogatives) theoretically capable of working autonomously but generally operating in harmony with the rest of Andromeda, either by being directly networked to the original AI or generally just agreeing with it on every point and suggested course of action. This changes a bit in later seasons, but whether it is a case of lack of character continuity or an intended development of mechanisms not fully explained in the show is impossible to say, though I'd think the former is more likely. It's a pity such points weren't touched on in more detail to give Rommie's increasingly independent and human character some validity as well as to avoid the inconsistencies in the dynamics between the two AI's which are already reflected in the current page. Not that the writers took the point to extremes, unlike so many other character concepts; I always liked that Rommie continued to refer to herself as a warship, I think that was a very interesting touch that reflected her own conflated sense of identity. I also recall thinking that it was implied -- though I don't believe its anywhere explicitly stated -- that even when Rommie was away from Andromeda for significant periods as soon as she was brought within range again, she could uplink with Andromeda and the two would share their data/experiences and again merge closer to a homogeneous personality (though at the same time it was clear that the unique experience of living with a humanoid body continued to cause Rommie to evolve independently in some respects over time). But returning to the root question, I don't believe separate pages are warranted or that such an arrangement benefits the description of either character; they are, in my opinion, so interdependent with regard to the plot that they should be treated together. I also suggest that the page header should list Andromeda as the "primary" character and Rommie should get the sub-section owing to the fact that she really is the variation on the original and not the other way around. Snow-THA (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

At the very least the list of characters should say Andromeda/Rommie and not Andromeda Ascendant (Rommie), as the latter implies Rommie to be a nickname for the ship itself. There are three distinct projections of the core AI. As noted, the on-screen command and control Andromeda, the holographic projection Andromeda, and the android avatar Rommie. The first two are the initial division in personality: the C&C Andromeda being strictly business, and the holographic ship/human interface having some human like reactions (crossing arms and rolling eyes, etc.). Only when the AI is interacting with outside contacts does it refer to itself as Andromeda Ascendant, meaning the ship itself. The crew invariably refers to it/them as Andromeda. The android avatar Rommie (built by Harper, if I'm not mistaken) was, as stated, originally a copy of the AI, specifically the more human seeming holographic version. Rommie developed more human like aspects, including emotional reactions, gradually differentiating from the holographic Andromeda more and more, up to and including her demise at the end of season 4. It should also be noted that Doyle contains a copy of Rommie with a unique personality laid over the original in order to control problematic aspects of the "destroyed" Rommie. This does pose a problem as far as bullet-point one liners, as the different manifestations are different projections of the core AI which have evolved differently. Not the usual kind of character descriptions certainly. It should require an entire section to describe this. I feel this is warranted as this is an understated but crucial part of the plot and a unique situation of character development posed to the writers. Drmcclainphd (talk) 14:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Possible Andromeda characters

So, here is the list of Andromeda characters which IMHO deserve a mention in Wikipedia (characters which deserve a whole article are in bold):

Dylan Hunt, Beka Valentine, Tyr Anasazi, Telemachus Rhade, Seamus Harper, Trance Gemini, Rev Bem, Andromeda, Rommie, Doyle (main characters); Gaheris Rhade, Gerentex, Dmitry, Freya, Olma, Rafe Valentine, Sara Riley, Hohne, Ismail Khalid, President Lee, Sid Barry, Jill/Pax Magellanic, Admiral Stark, Ferrin, Venetri, Elsbett Mossadim, Cuchulain Nez-Pierce, Gabriel/Remiel/Balance of Judgement, Bloodmist (Season 1); Professor Logitch, Isabella Ortiz, Charlemagne Bolivar, Molly, Bobby Jensen, Uxulta, Ryan/Clarion's Call, Achilles/Wrath of Achilles, Tammerlaine (Season 2); Fehdman Metis, Azazel, The Patriarch, Hector/Resolution of Hector, William Ataturk (Season 3); Tri-Jema, Kroton, Tri-Lorn, Aurelia, Pish, Marlowe, Louisa (Season 4); Flavin, Virgil Vox, Peter Museveni, Ione, "Evil Trance", Marida, General Burma, Maura (Season 5).

Any comments? Skroderider 14:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

All characters after Rhade should not be given seperate pages, they dont play a big enough role accross the span of the series and would not meet guidelines or have enough info to warrant a page. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 14:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree. After G. Rhade, all the rest can be combined into a list of minor/recurring Andromeda characters the same way minor charactors on other TV show articles are listed. Wl219 18:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. The page would be fairly long, then. And why make an exception only for Gaheris? Also, from checking e. g. List of Star Trek characters it seems that some recurring characters do have their pages. Skroderider 20:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Because Gaheris has had prominent roles in more then 1 episode, no reason why there cannot be two pages: minor & reccuring. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, so has Hohne, Virgil Vox or Evil Trance... Skroderider 20:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

But could there info not be summed up on a single page better? thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 20:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I meant the list from Dylan to Gaheris, inclusive. Also if you look at the Star Trek list, the recurring characters there are people like Q, Guinan, Reg Barclay - people who have had multiple episodes revolve almost entirely around them or their influence on the regulars. You can't say that for people like Gerentex or Bloodmist. Start them off on a list of recurring characters; nothing about WP says we can't expand them later if it turns out people have a lot to write about them. Wl219 21:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, fair enough. Skroderider 23:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Link removed

MatthewFenton removed the link to the AndroWiki. I don't know exactly why he thinks it was spam. So i want to write a small statement. We are partly going to translate the german AndroWiki to english. There are not very much arctiles at the moment, because the translating hasn't started yet. And we could need every help we get. --EoD 18:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

As you own/or an admin there you have a conflict of interest.. also while I understand you have good intentions your website is still in its infancy.. when your Wiki is up to a stable level though I wouldnt mind it linking from this article :) thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 19:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Ah,ok.So i'm sorry. We'll try to bring this wiki out of its infancy as fast as we can ;) --EoD 00:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Fenton, Matthew: You should not talk about not supporting a wiki project on a wiki project. This is also a conflict of interest. ;-) Wiki Communities should support each other instead of blocking. Wikipedia needs contributors and it already has this bad image. What costs a try of - lets say - 4 month? If its still as infant as now, you can remove it. --84.190.91.218 02:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Canadian

Credits of the show state "This show is protected under laws of Canada, the United States, and other countries". Credits also state "With the particiaption of The Government of Canada," and "Fireworks, a CanWest Company." IMDB says "Country: Canada / USA ". Even the theme song is Canadian. Can we stop removing this fact? Avt tor 09:14, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

As a Canadian, I'm prepared to give credit for anything after season two to any country that wants it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.2.203 (talk) 23:48, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Season Three

New paragraph in this section indicates continuity errors without citing episode names. My recollection of the show is that the changes were justified in the script/dialog, so the comments seem to be POV. If another editor can cite episode titles, I can check the facts. If we can't confirm details, I may remove subjective/unsourced comments here. Avt tor 21:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Originally set in the Star Trek universe?

I don't have any links handy, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Roddenberry had intended for Andromeda to be set in the Star Trek universe, but the producers of the show decided to break the connection so that the "Federation" became the "Commonwealth", new alien races replaced the familiar Vulcans/Romulans/Klingons/Cardassians/Ferengi, etc.

Actually, I can't seem to find any links at all supporting this, so I'm beginning to wonder if I'm going insane. I very clearly remember reading it and thinking to myself "Holy crap, that would have been AWESOME! Why did they change it?!"

Is it true? Is it a myth? Is it a product of my deranged imagination? --Lode Runner

My (unsourced) recollection is that it is true that Gene Roddenberry's original notes suggested this be linked to the Star Trek universe. However, in the actual version brought to air by Majel Roddenberry, there is no specific mention of the Star Trek universe history at all, which is to say there would be major discontinuities if the universes were linked. The extensive background history included in the Andromeda universe is sufficiently detailed to have mentioned the Federation if it happened. Approximately the same thing is true of the Earth: Final Conflict universe; whatever Gene's original intent may have been, they have been developed essentially separately. I would not put any mention of this in the article without a source. Avt tor 20:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to argue that the version they produced is set in the Star Trek universe; just that Roddenberry's vision was. Yeah, we need to find a good source, but I think this is definitely worthy of inclusion in the article (and inclusion in the Earth: Final Conflict article if it's true about that series as well.) I think that this tidbit would greatly interest both Andromeda and Star Trek fans alike, especially if we could find out WHY they decided to de-Trekify it. I'm not sure that Earth: Final Conflict would have worked as a Star Trek series (what is the Trek equivalent of Taelons and why haven't we heard anything about them in the other series? Major continuity issues, I think.), I think that the basic concept behind Andromeda (one last starship as a bastion of a fallen Utopian society) would have been EXTREMELY interesting had it been applied to the Star Trek universe, and I can't fathom a good reason why they would've wanted to change it. (Disclaimer: I'm not an Andromeda fan, I think I watched maybe one and a half episodes. I'm not begrudging it; I'm just saying it wasn't quite interesting enough to hold my interest--BUT, had it been set in the Trek universe, I would have definitely given it more attention because there's just so much they could've built on--it would've been extremely interesting to watch them turn the shiny-happy-plastic-idealistic universe of Trek on its head.) --Lode Runner

I believe (and I don't have sources to hand either, sorry), that Roddenbury's Andromeda notes were considered for the next Trek after Voyager, but they went for Enterprise instead. As I recall, there was a point in 1999ish when Andromeda was quite close to being produced as a Trek series. The reason it was "de-Trekified" is simply because, as the Trek offices had passed on it, it couldn't be part of Trek; it would be a rights issue. Kelvingreen 19:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

A number of us have these second- and third-hand stories. If we could find a quotable source, we could include it in the article. Avt tor 08:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

CFD notice

This discussion is closed. Avt tor 23:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Too much plot

I think this article is fairly good now; however, the section summarizing the plot of each series is too long within the article. IMO, most of this should be put into a separate article to be linked from here. (I will wait a week for comments before taking any action on this.) Avt tor 17:01, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Character detail was recently added to the already-bloated plot sections. That should be rearranged. Avt tor 23:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Edits by 80.63.26.73

I removed his list of systems, and have moved it to User:Mattbuck/Andromeda to be worked on. I'll probably add it to the list of Andromeda systems. mattbuck 08:50, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Firefly?

Doesn't this series bear a resemblance to the TV series Firefly? Just thinking. . .RSido 00:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Slipstream source

I removed the following text from the section Slipstream:

Though few science-fictional ideas are new, this most likely would have been borrowed from Larry Niven's Known Space series.

Comments:

1. This seems to be original research.
2. It is debatable. For instance, the first possible source that occurs to me is Cordwainer Smith. I'm sure there are other good possibilities.

I would encourage fans to explore possible sources but I suggest the question isn't ready for WP. Zaslav (talk) 06:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Dead Links

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"Restorian" (a.k.a. "Resters") organization

The show occasionally included plots revolving around the Restorians. Is this little piece going to be included in the article? Just asking. Thanks in advance. Don't quite know how Wiki Discussion works, as far as comporting oneself goes...:D

About Trance

This is a huge spoiler in character table, not good. Should make a "spoiler awarning" or change text —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.178.90.211 (talk) 18:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

meh. All movie articles contain plot summaries. And Andromeda is a remarkably shitty show. Who cares? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.176.122.34 (talk) 00:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Parody/hommage scenes

There are several scenes which parody and pay hommage to other SF films/series:

• In one scene (don't remember very well the details, it was early in the series), while Dylan Hunt is being held hostage on another ship, someone on the Andromeda's bridge says something like "I wish we had some device which could make Dylan dematerialize and then magically rematerialize here on the bridge" (an obvious reference to the Star Trek's transporters)

• In the last season's when Andromeda was invaded, Rommie makes a hand-wave and says something like "We are not the droids you seek". When nothing happens, Doyle asks her what she tried to accomplish by that to which she responds "I'm not sure, but it obviously didn't work". Another obvious reference, a Star Wars one - "droids" and "Jedi mind trick" I 'd say...

Perhaps there were more which I didn't notice. Could this be worth mentioning in the article? Arny (talk) 08:39, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

It's all original research without a reliable source and inappropriate for inclusion. Doniago (talk) 13:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

No section with critical reception?

We need that. __meco (talk) 10:08, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Belorn (talk) 23:32, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Unencyclopedic

The last paragraph of the "Recurring and notable guest characters" section seems out of place.

The series is noted for ...

Weasel words, personal opinion, speculation. -71.166.104.2 (talk) 07:06, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done Removed. Doniago (talk) 15:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

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Strange New World

• A link should be added for the below film as it was part of the "trilogy" that preceded Andromeda.
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_New_World_(film)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_II_(film)
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Earth_(film)

Kenixkil (talk) 14:33, 13 December 2022 (UTC)