Talk:PMR446

Hi I'd like to know how long does this work (meters? kilometers?).

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Russia

Is the use of PMR446 legal in Russia, or is there an equivalent for private persons to use (such as during a trip in wilderness without mobile telephony coverage)? -84.115.129.76 (talk) 15:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The Russian Federation are currently evaluating PMR446, but as of this date it is currently illegal to use such equipment within their borders. 20.133.0.13 (talk) 10:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

PMR446 is license free in Russia since 2005, according to the Russian wiki. --Dmitry _{(talk•contibs)} 21:48, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Digital PMR 446

Well? Is there or isn't there a digital mode? How widespread is it, which countries authorize it? It was hinted at in the article but in a very obscure way. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

N. AMerican ham use

It would seem unlikely that PMR446 HTs would be popular with North American ham operators, since they would not work with repeaters, have an unusual selection of fixed channels, they have a fixed antenna, rather low power compared to a ham HT, and a limited selection of accessories. Theoretically operable unde the amateur radio rules, but not common. --Wtshymanski (talk) 18:15, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved by someone. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:01, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

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PMR446 → PMR446 — This article is a duplicate, dPMR and PMR446. dPMR referred to here is simply a minor subset of dPMR radio called dPMR446. Vharywolf (talk) 10:47, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Requested move

The problem is that if I search 'dPMR' if gives the PMR446 page? dPMR is not PMR446. There is a subset of dPMR called dPMR446 but dPMR itself need a much more complete explanation. dPMR should not re-direct here. --Vharywolf (talk) 12:11, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Usage worldwide

This statement was added by an IP editor, and reverted by a bot. It was unsourced, so I've moved it here for discussion:

"In Italy you have to pay an annual fee of 12€ which allows you to use up to 15 PMR446 devices. "

What about licensing fees in this article, anyways? --Lexein (talk) 06:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The world seems to be very little here. What about south america, japan, china... and maaany others... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.145.208.151 (talk) 16:34, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit comments

You know, if someone had said "These channel spacings at 125 kHz, not 12.5 kHz, and we need an extra 0 in the frequencies", I wouldn't have reverted this so many times. Nearly always, unexplained number tweaks are vandalism - it really helps to leave an edit comment to explain your changes. --Wtshymanski (talk) 17:36, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

PMR and KDR

Why do Norway and Sweden have KDR 444 short-distance radio services, in addition to PMR? These are very similar to PMR 446 and seem to be unique to the Scandanavian penninsula. The Norwegian telecoms regulator says the bulletin for KDR 444 was issued in 2003, which must be after the establishment of PMR. Does anyone know why this additional service was needed? --Wtshymanski (talk) 21:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Few mistakes

PMR446 no longer requires a fixed antenna(in the uk at least). But the erp must not exceed 500mW.

Repeaters are indeed not allowed, but gateways are not ruled out(in the uk at least).

Handheld kit is not all thats allowed. There are desktop units such as the intec 5070

82.5.62.244 (talk) 23:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

p.s This procedure is odd. Even now im not sure if I'm doing this right. What is wrong with a forum displayed in the usual manner.

Citations for all this would be very helpful. The reason it doesn't work like a forum is because it's an encyclopedia, not a forum. --Wtshymanski (talk) 02:46, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/spectrum/spectrum-policy-area/spectrum-management/licence-exempt-radio-use/licence-exempt-devices/Analogue_and_Digital_PMR4461.pdf 

That's the current guidance from Ofcom. It corroborates the point about the antenna not needing to be permanently attached to the device, but it specifically mentions that "an Internet Gateway, is unlikely to meet the licence-exempt operation requirements". It also says that equipment must be used on a mobile basis only, but it doesn't specify what mobile means. I think it's safe to say that anything connected to the mains [eg an Intek DRS5070], a PC as an internet gateway or a an antenna attached to a building is not mobile. 87.194.156.49 (talk) 21:03, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

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Is the above true? The applicable EEC directive (ECC/DEC/(15)05) says:

"..that all PMR 446 equipment is hand portable and shall use only integral antenna and an effective radiated power not exceeding 500 mW, while any base station, repeater or fixed infrastructure use is excluded."

"Hand Portable" is defined (by EC directive) as "equipment fitted with an integral antenna, normally used on a stand-alone basis, to be carried on a person or held in the hand." That Ofcom regulations are a but of a muddle is no surprise. Ofcom's November 2015 revised information can be found here:

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0025/85156/ir_2009_analogue_and_digita1.pdf

Of course you can buy or make a non-portable transceiver that will operate on PMR frequencies and power, although you can't sell it as PMR compliant. Ofcom seems to be saying that you *could* be nicked if you actually use it.

F J Leonhardt 12:59, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

New changes from 3rd July of 2015

Added link to ECC decision (15)05 from 3. July of 2015. which changes the regulatory aspect a bit. It would be good is someone who know what he's going could go through the article and update it to correspond to the newest standard. 78.53.174.125 (talk) 13:18, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Units in tables

A recent edit added units to every single figure in the frequency tables. I think this isn't the norm, as seen at Frequency_allocation. Please can somebody shed some light on this area of formatting? I can't find any specific examples in the style guide. hrf (talk) 16:17, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Range record

The current article says:

The best known long distance record is 333 mi (535.8 km) from Blyth in the United Kingdom to Almere, Netherlands.[5]

However Canal77 says:

La mayor distancia alcanzada conocida con un PMR446 se hizo entre Canarias y Portugal el día 18 de Julio del año 2012 a las 9 de la noche aproximadamente aprovechando una apertura troposférica. Se alcanzó una distancia de 1.611 Km aproximadamente entre el norte de la isla de Tenerife y el norte de Portugal.

I guess this is not authoritative enough, but somebody may want to find a proper reference and include it in the article.--Error (talk) 10:20, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Drone pilots

How do drone pilots operate PMR446 radios? I imagine that piloting requires both hands. Voice-activated? --Error (talk) 10:33, 7 January 2021 (UTC)