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Correction: Leiden does not have a house of correction. Perhaps a building formerly used as such? Can someone confirm this either way?Prater 15:18, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Slump or boom?[edit]

The article says Leiden slumped in the 17th century. Later it says the Marekerk was built in 1650 for 'the GROWING town'. Which is true? (I think the first).

First.--Hippalus 22:29, Feb 5, 2005 (UTC)

Link to "official portal"[edit]

shouldn't the 'official leiden portal' be www.leiden.nl rather than the obscure boogolinks?

Hendrik Jan

www.leiden.nl is already in the list (1st position), so a namechange for the boogolink might be more appropriate.

Jkruis 18:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rijn Gouwe Lijn[edit]

Is the RGL the first lightrail in the Netherlands? It might have been the first one planned but it is certainly not the first one realized, certainly no the the moment Leiden is included in it.

--Fkvdmark 07:47, 18 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

== userBox ==[edit]

FYI

This user lives in Leiden

-Catneven 14:56, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Burcht = Motte & Bailey fortification[edit]

I think it is worth to mention that it is a motte & bailey citadel. More or less intact motte & bailey castles are quite rare in the Netherlands.Darth Viller (talk) 20:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Europe's first paper money?[edit]

Maybe this article could substantiate on the issuing of paper coins which were apparently made from Catholic bibles during the siege of Leiden in 1574. It's difficult to get more than a smidgin of information about this event, but 14,000 people died in this siege according to Banknote. More information would be excellent. Thanks. 86.42.115.6 (talk) 16:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pesthuis[edit]

Under Other buildings: Another building of interest is the "pesthuis", which was built at that time [sic] - What time period is this?. The section would benefit from a cleanup edit; I hesitate to undertake it without having more and clearer content. -- Deborahjay (talk) 21:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Inhabitants[edit]

Under famous inhabitants also a certain Albert Einstein, (1879–1955, physicist) is mentioned. Still there's nothing about living in this town in the article about the person mentioned. Maybe he stayed there for a few weeks or months, but that doesn't really make somebody to a former inhabitant. (Or is John Lennon, who once stayed for a week in an Amsterdam Hilton bed, a former inhabitant of that town?) Anyway, citations, giving more information about this subject, certainly are demanded.--VKing (talk) 00:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In case he indeed stayed there for while, this fact might be mentioned under Trivia.--VKing (talk) 01:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Siebold[edit]

Not sure why the name of Siebold listed on this page doesn't match that on his wikipedia page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philipp_Franz_von_Siebold It didn't work so I just updated the weblink, but not the hypertext of his name —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.146.141.176 (talk) 15:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Leyden / Leiden[edit]

This is the English language wiki. Why isn't the English name of the town used? Rome is found under Rome, not Roma. Lisbon is found under Lisbon, not Lisboa. Why isn't Leyden found under its anglicised name?Jatrius (talk) 10:05, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Leyden used to be the Dutch name as well a long time ago. As far as I can quickly search Leiden is currently used in English as well (Merriam-Webster site, Google maps English version, etc.). Do you have any source that lists the current English name as Leyden instead of Leiden? CRwikiCA (talk) 16:31, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A small addition, there is mention of Leyden as well in some English-language sources. I do not have the impression that Leyden is used over Leiden as often as for the case of Rome and Lisbon. If that would be the case, the article should be moved, I agree with you in that sense. CRwikiCA (talk) 16:35, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

cat ref[edit]

OK I give up. Why is it so important to have extra unneeded space in the cat citation? Kendall-K1 (talk) 18:15, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Early photographs of Leiden by Jan Goedeljee now on Commons[edit]

Jan Goedeljee (1824-1905) was a Dutch photographer working in his hometown Leiden and its surroundings. Erfgoed Leiden en Omstreken, the Leiden municipal archive, holds a large collection of his glass negatives, which have been digitised and made available for re-use on Wikimedia Commons. The collection includes photos of many well-known places in Leiden, such as the Academy Building and the Hortus Botanicus, and of buildings that have since disappeared, such as the old post office, several city-gates and the old railway station. The upload was done by Erik Zachte, using Pattypan and a custom script for the conversion of the metadata. Access the collection here. Regards, --AWossink (talk) 13:27, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Alst God den Heer verdroot[edit]

In the Miscellany section, the cryptic verse on the façade of the town hall contains the line: aLst god den heer Verdroot. The translation from the 1925 guide book cited has "Then God the Lord repented." In Reformed 16th-century Leiden, God was probably disinclined to change course in response to circumstances He had Himself ordained (implied by "repented"). But (who knows?) He might have been "sad". The better translation of verdroot is "was sad". Unless there is contrary consensus, I propose to change "repented" to "was sad", the anonymous guide-book translation notwithstanding. ::: Frans Fowler (talk) 12:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't diagree, especially since I am not fluent in Nederlands. But my guess is that the inscription is from somewhere in the Bible, and it would be good to identify the source first. If that is done, different versions/translations can also be checked? Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 15:25, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Warshy. Good thinking. I have found this
https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-3-man-who-caused-god-repent-exodus-327-14-30-35-331-6-12-17
but no time to read it yet. ## Frans Fowler (talk) 15:53, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the Nederlands verse/quote is indeed from Exodus 32:12–14, then the correct translation may be "repent," as you can see in this specific English translation. In this case the meaning seems to be that he changed his mind and decided not to exterminate the people he had previously "chosen." What do you think? Hope this helps. Thank you, warshy (¥¥) 16:30, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All translations are wrong, and God repents in mysterious ways. I have no Hebrew, so I cannot tell what it "really" means. And the Hebrew text must be so old that no translation into a modern language will quite match anyway. But it does look as though the Leiden verse draws on that bit of Exodus, and if repented is the received English, it had better stay as the translation for verdroot. I'm glad I asked before making a bold edit. Luther, by the way, has gereute, which is an intransitive "regretted" and I'd say gereute is closer to verdroot than to repented. Perhaps "repented" is something of a semantic outlier in the international field. §§§ Frans Fowler (talk) 22:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with all your philosophical points about Bible translations and meaning. The Hebrew original vainachem is really closer to possibly meaning that God consoled himself for the transgressions of the people he had chosen, than to 'repented' (Back to the original theological question: What does saying that "God repented" really mean?) The only sure conclusion seems to be that Moses somehow succeeded in his arguing with God, and in somehow changing God's mind. Given all this, I wouldn't oppose at all if you took Luther's interpretation instead, and changed the English text to "regretted," as a better translation for the Nederlands verdroot. Regards, warshy (¥¥) 15:33, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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