Talk:Sky father

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C'mon you people, whats wrong with this page?

Well, mainly it has no context at all. It looks like you are talking about mythology, but which one? If its a general theory then examples need giving, etc. Morwen 14:50, 28 Oct 2003 (UTC)

This page is like a hairball. It should start with a clear statement of who "Sky Father" is supposed to be and where the concept exists. History section: Move out everything not in the history of the Sky Father ideology set it aside for later. Just treat the development of the idea quoting Engels, Frazer etc. Give it some 19th century context. Next section: Reaction. From whom. New information. Next section: what remains true about nomadic sky gods, in the area covered. For this Jane Ellen Harrison's Prolegomena to the Study of Greek religion would help. Statements like A sky father also relates to a solar deity, a god identified with the sun. don't help -- is the Sky Father "related to" the rain god and the storm god of the mountains? Next section: Neo-pagan. General modern blur of just everything. This is the onlyt6 section for which one doesn't need history etc.. Too difficult. Can't help...Wetman 22:22, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Where is Abrahamic mythology?

C'mon biased Westerners; if you're going to talk about sky gods and thunderbolts, then you'd better start citing the Bible and Koran as well, hadn't you. Either it's all religion or it's all mythology. 71.213.121.161 07:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hmm maybe that could work. I'm not sure exactly how you'd integrate it though. I won't be the one to do it though as I don't know most of the specifics involved in such an analysis, maybe somebody here does?

P.S. I just noticed again that the Mother goddess article already has a section discussing the similarities of that concept, with various Christian traditions around Mary. (Mother goddess concepts in Christianity) So this may serve as a basis of how to include a similar section here. --Hibernian 04:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, Christian images of God are most often male and sky dwelling. Since "sky father" is such a wide spread concept both historically and geographically the lede probably aught to stay fairly general and include common denominators and differences. Most importantly, the article is still lacking references. - Steve3849 ^talk 21:52, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

"Our father who art in heaven", how much more explicit do you want it? 82.176.221.176 (talk) 10:42, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

The God(s) of modern Semitic (Abrahamic) religions trace back to the ancient Semitic sky father, El (also Il or Al). Of the seven names of God in Judaism, one of them is El, and four more are derived from it, Elohim, Elohai, El Shaddai, and Eloah. Israel is derived from the Hebrew Yisra'el; yisra means reigns or persists, so Israel means "El reigns." Additionally, the Hebrew Eloah corresponds to Elaha in Aramaic, Alaha in Syriac, and al-Ilah/Allah in Arabic. All of these should probably be grouped. Idisestablish (talk) 14:52, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Reconsideration of Theory

The theory is declared "dropped by academia" without any reference to source. The acceptance of it by novelists is invalidated by this claim, without reference. I've added a "citation needed" to two key points of the text: after the first paragraph of "reconsideration of theory" and after the claim that the theory was dropped in "Cultural Influencest". Anecdotally, I know that Britain did have a tradition of equality for women on the matter of rulling: they had female leaders back in the times of the Roman occupation. This is probably relevant to the portrait of a female oriented culture in Britain associated to a goddess cult in Marion Zimmer Bradley's, referred in the text as following the allegedly dropped story of the sky father take over. (source: The History Channel). Ricardo Dirani (talk) 23:38, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

somebody just wrote an unreferenced opinion piece. Such stuff should be removed on sight. The only things that even pretended to be referenced are

• "In Native American mythology and Native American religion, the sky father is a common character in creation myth."
• In the ancient prehispanic territory of Colombia Muisca people, (Muisca mythology), used to worship Bochica as the sky father."
• "The Liber Sancti Iacobi by Aymericus Picaudus tells that the Basques called God Urcia, a word found in compounds for the names of some week days and meteorological phenomena"

This is it -- the referenced portion of this entire piece.

Yes, there can be an article on this topic, but you cannot just build a strawman hypothesis off the top of your head and then tear it down also off the top of your head and pretend you have written an encyclopedia article. --dab (𒁳) 19:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Scandinavia

Where are the scandinavian gods like thorr? It seems a strange emission 2001:464C:EA13:0:3138:4871:B74E:5088 (talk) 16:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)