Talk:Groat (coin)

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Removed waffling and patronising paragraph:

Of course the original groat or half groat, in its day, would have bought considerably more than its modern equivalent, and might also have a value, both in the current antique coin market and metal commodities markets, well above two or four pence.

Dainamo 12:33, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Agricultural groat[edit]

I found this page because I was looking for information on groats in the agricultural sense of the word. I know that oat kernels, when dehulled, are called "oat groats" and I know that other grains are called "groats" sometimes, so I wanted to find out which grains can be called "groats" and when. I am a newbie to wiki stuff; is this worth making another page and a disambiguation page, or is the agricultural meaning of the word "groat" too obscure for Wikipedia? --Steveha 17:59, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I too was looking for the alternative meaning of Groat, it appears to me to be any part of the dehulked grain kernal, not just pertaining to oats. However I am not sure of this, anyone in the know should do something about this lack of information on wikipedia. --62.173.194.7 12:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Groschen[edit]

Oppose - etymologically related, but of quite different history like the dollar and the thaler. --MacRusgail 17:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I am a collector of English hammered coinage. The groat while similar to Groschen is very different and it's place in English history is very distinct. Therefore to merge it would lessen it's importance and might cause confusion on those who do not know it's history. --hmscook 19:04, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Not only is the history distinct, but the English groat is independently notable and is probably a more common use of the term "groat" than Groschen. The existing link to Groschen is fine--and perhaps should be expanded, if there is more to be said about a mutual history or etymology--but "groat" deserves its own article. Krinsky 19:08, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the merge template - it's been up on the article for four months and garnered zero support. -- Arwel (talk) 20:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Earliest groats in Scotland[edit]

Apparently a mint was established in Aberdeen earlier than indicated in this article. It produced silver groats. Local numismatic collections include some from the reign of David II (1329-1371) though the reference seems to indicate that the mint was in operation well before his reign. (ref: Fenton Wyness, City by the Grey North Sea: Aberdeen, Alex P Reid & Son, Aberdeen, 1966, p.11) Annana 10:37, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Use of Groat as Unit of Payment-in-Kind[edit]

What might be termed the grassroots counterculture Anti-globalization movement has advanced the thesis that the entire capitalist enterprise might be gradually unseated if we break the chain of trading shares and spending money on taxable goods and services. This is done by using a unit of payment-in-kind, a kind of barter currency, which bypasses the need to exchange monetary tokens entirely. This unit has been called the Groat, doubtless on account of its Olde Worlde associations.

I'm surprised there isn't a Wikipedia page about it.

Nuttyskin (talk) 11:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural usage addition[edit]

In George R R Martin's series A Song of Ice and Fire, reference is made to a dwarf named Groat, brother of Penny (the implication being both are worthless).

I thought this should be included, as it's why I looked up the term, but thought suggesting it here for a member of the community's consideration would be polite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.140.212 (talk) 09:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Doublet: merge?[edit]

We have an article Groat (coin) and an article Fourpence (British coin), both on the same denomination; why don't we combine them? J S Ayer (talk) 00:42, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I would support this, but this page also contains information related to the Scottish groat, which is a different thing entirely to the Fourpence (British coin). Perhaps one page for the English/British coin and one for the Scottish? Retroplum (talk) 14:29, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]