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The issue whether England is a country or not has been repeatedly raised.
The outcome of discussion is that England is a country. This has been confirmed in formal mediation with respect to Wales, though the general issues are common amongst England, Northern Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.
Could English wine be added under cuisine? It's a growing sector and English sparkling wines are in demand. Englandsupport4 (talk) 02:49, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do we need to reply to a banned sock? Although they may have a point about English sparkling wine. KJP1 (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have also been keeping an eye on this article and the two article mentioned above as there is an issue with sockpuppets usually from one account making edits and impersonating other users. ChefBear01 (talk) 17:18, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the Union with Scotland section it states that the Royal Navy created the largest MERCHANT fleet- surely that is wrong ?
IceDragon64 (talk) 02:31, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This helpful article helped me understand the difference between a Country, State and Nation. I note the confusion of different interpretations of each word. However I would argue the introduction of this article should read "England is a nation that is part of the United Kingdom". This would better agree with the wiki definitions of Country, Nation and State (polity). Ssojjoss (talk) 19:46, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, there are no academic sources which support the claim that England is a country. In the meantime, the United Nations does NOT recognise England as a country, nor does England meet the definition of a country in the various dictionaries, which invariably refer to an area of land which has its own government, something which England does not have. Texas used to be a country, still has its own government though, and is clearly closer to the definition of country than England is, as are the other 49 states, and all the states in Australia. England is more like a state of the United Kingdom, but it doesn't even rise to that level, because once again it doesn't have its own government. England is more like a group of provinces of the United Kingdom than anything else! It certainly isn't a country... FillsHerTease (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It should be definitely be changed, because England is NOT a country. There is no basis whatsoever on which it can be called a country. It doesn't have it's own government. It doesn't have passports. It doesn't have ANYTHING that an actual country has. Not to mention the fact that it is part of a ... drum roll please ... country called The United Kingdom. I'm sure people call it a country simply because it was, at one stage, and for many hundreds of years. Anyone who says it is a country needs to explain why England is a country but Texas is not, considering that, unlike England, Texas DOES have a government, and even its own Constitution. However it isn't a country, despite the fact that it was one at one stage, because it is part of another country, namely The United States. There is no such thing as a country that is part of another country! FillsHerTease (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why England is not a country? So the English flag doesn't make sense? In what world did you think that? There is so much arrogance, so much shallow knowledge that this shouldn't even be considered an "argument",because clearly I can see that you don't understand anything about the subject,this is worst edit I've ever seen, and they still say that the problem with Wikipedia is reliable sources, being after all, no one is saved and will never be saved anytime soon, If you don't stop being intolerant and want to own the truth, you'll make me feel sorry, man, I'm in mourning, because your brain passed away a long time ago. 177.105.90.20 (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I explained why it isn't a country, but I'll explain again because you obviously aren't very bright:
1. It doesn't have it's own government.
2. It doesn't have passports.
3. It isn't recognised as a country by the United Nations.
4. It doesn't meet the definition of country in the various dictionaries.
5. The COUNTRY it is part of is called The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and there is no such thing as a country that is part of another country.
Please try to be civil. And note, this has been discussed many times before and the consensus seems to be as the wording is now. Tony Holkham(Talk) 20:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dude, there's no point in saying "Ah, be civil", this guy won't accept that he's wrong. 177.105.90.20 (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If someone says "I'm in mourning, because your brain passed away a long time ago", then ... NO ... I will NOT be civil. Where is your admonition for the person who started it? I have quoted sources - i.e. The United Nations amongst others - and presented an argument, but he has provided NOTHING but insults in reply. If it has been discussed in the past and you have reached the erroneous conclusion that England is a country, then that's fine, I understand how it works, but don't come after me for responding in kind to someone who has don't NOTHING except throw shade. FillsHerTease (talk) 09:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop being an idiot, man, you should be banned from Wikipedia, you want to try to be the lord of the truth, but everything you've said so far is hypocrisy, you're a shame, listen? And don't bother filling my patience with your stupidity, because I'm fed up with it, if you want to lie, lie right, man. 177.105.90.20 (talk) 13:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sovereign states typically decide on the names of their component parts. Russia is made up of 'republics'. The US of 'states'. I believe France calls them 'regions'. The UK government calls its largest components 'countries'. See Countries of the United Kingdom.
I'd say it seems pretty definitive that the people of England want to keep referring to England as a country. You say the UK made a submission to the United Nations, but the United Nations does not recognise England and a country - despite what people in England might say or think - and England does not meet the United Nations definition of a country. You quote the UK Office of National Statistics, but I have quote the US State Department. I have also shown what other encyclopaedias say, and shown that Wikipedia doesn't list it as a country. Doesn't seem like your argument is very definitive at all. Since when does a local custom - which, as I've said, exists for very obvious reasons, but is wrong - trump reality? FillsHerTease (talk) 10:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You mean this one: https://history.state.gov/countries/all? It says it's a list of "countries with which the United States has had diplomatic relations." And it's clearly meant for that purpose only.
In any case, you don't seem to have a consensus on changing the term I'm afraid. Dgp4004 (talk) 10:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, another person claiming that the US Government hasn't had diplomatic relations with England. LOL! I already agreed that I know how things work, and that if it has already been decided - ERRONEOUSLY - that England is a country, then that's fine. If you don't want this encyclopaedia to be accurate, then there's nothing I can do... FillsHerTease (talk) 19:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Putting the term 'country' aside for a moment, what do you suggest England is? You've given one source which uses the term 'constituent'. Is that your suggested term? Are there other sources which call it simply a 'constituent'? I see you've said 'group of provinces' also. Are there any sources which define England as a 'group of provinces'? Dgp4004 (talk) 22:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a reason why this page has neither the HDI nor Gini of England listed? All other UK nation pages (Scotland, Wales, United Kingdom etc) have them. 92.15.85.19 (talk) 15:05, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can't get a source for England HDI, sadly (see the source on the other pages). And for GINI, the only source was the Scottish Government which somebody objected to as it was felt to be unreliable. Dgp4004 (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no basis whatsoever on which it can be called a country. England is a country because the vast majority of people in the British Isles call it a country. It's that simple. For WP purposes there are numerous quality RSSs that also call it a country. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly! It was a country, once upon a time, and a very powerful one at that, so people have kept calling it a country - for obvious reasons - but this is an encyclopaedia, and in the real world England is not a country, so this encyclopaedia should not refer to it as one.
Here is the entry on England in the Encyclopaedia Britannica - https://www.britannica.com/place/England - which refers to it as a "constituent", which is what it is (though I think I used the term "province" above).
I could easily add another 20 different sources which make it clear that it is not a country... FillsHerTease (talk) 09:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where are all these sources - I have provided multiple sources - and when are they going to be added to the page? FillsHerTease (talk) 09:53, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quote: Exactly! I'm glad you agree with me. It's bed time, but referring to your sources, and before I turn off the light, WP doesn't count as a source. The US govt source, that isn't secondary, says This section provides historical reference information on the countries with which the United States has had diplomatic relations. Where does it say England isn't a country, or that the USA doesn't recognise England as a country? I don't have time to explain why your other sources aren't siotable. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hilarious! So England is a country, but the US Government hasn't had diplomatic relations with them??? LOL!
"I don't have time to explain why your other sources aren't siotable." - I'll take that to mean that you don't have any good arguments, and that your claim that the US Government has never had relations with England is the best you can do... FillsHerTease (talk) 19:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Please change "the greater metropolitan of which has a population" (Intro) to "the metropolitan area of which has a population" because
i. there's no noun following the adj
ii. 'greater metropolitan' is not justified by the content of the relative article (Greater London is more specific, and there are other area definitions as well) Aethalides 02:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
^United Kingdom (2007), "Report of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"(PDF), Report by Governments on the Situation in their Countries on the Progress Made in the Standardization of Geographical Names Since the Eight Conferences, New York: United Nations, archived from the original(PDF) on 27 March 2009, retrieved 29 October 2011
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